Bali ..'not what you had in mind.

[yugi]

Yep. To finish well, it helps to start well.

You should take a trip one day and see what's going on elsewhere Slatch. We got strict rules here regarding paints. Moving quickly to waterbased. Huge changes in the antifouling for boat hulls too.

Rules are a pain in the ass but for a good cause. It's amazing the new paints now but for a while people were complaining.

We're not even allowed to wash below our cars here. You need to do it in a special place euiped to recycle the water.

On the other hand we drink the water where we paddle. How cool is that?

[PonoBill]

As I suspected, the Kuta beach crap is a local thing. Other than gyres you're unlikely to see that concentration from the ocean. Google Kuta Beach plastic.

[yugi]

Since I hope most of you surfers have moved on from cheapo plastic bags back to paper ...

Pop quiz!
How many of you recycle all your electronics?
Meaning all electronics. Like smartphones, ipods etc. Including your funky now-retarded neon kinda bulbs. And ATM cards with chips.

[SlatchJim]

You should take a trip one day and see what's going on elsewhere Slatch. We got strict rules here regarding paints. Moving quickly to waterbased. Huge changes in the antifouling for boat hulls too.

Do you mean aside from visiting our other locations, or vacations?  I'd love to.  The work we've done in Hawai'i makes me think that place needs a swift environmental spanking.

The next best thing to travel is to have people visit you.  I hope to see my nephew soon, for a sup vacation, and he's getting his PhD in environmental studies in England.  He's always fun to talk to, especially after a few pints. 

[clay]

Interesting thread.

I have heard the saying "everything has a tail pipe".  I am wondering what the "tail pipe" of recycling is releasing into the air?  And even if the exhaust is "scrubbed" clean, where do the scrubbings go?

I assume recycling is better than mining/drilling, just curious what the net/big picture outcome is.   

As far as solutions, renewables make sense to me, as in plants convert the suns energy and everything feeds off this.

Also I listened to a trippy podcast recently, still wrapping my head around the concept.  Essentially talking about finding and replicating the "machinery" for creating life and inhabitable planets:
https://chrisryanphd.com/tangentially-speaking/2018/2/6/303-bruce-damer-astrophysicistorigins-of-life

[eastbound]

yugi--when i moved my office last summer, i disocvered that nyc has an excellent free drop off for all electronic and durable good disposal---felt so good to take it all to one place for proper disposal---i had three loads in a longbed pick up--phones pc's switches routers cabling, even server-cooling ac's and a fridge--taxes are high here, and it's rare, but, in this case i was pleased to see my tax dollars working well. civic/community intiative can work!

[Wetstuff]

E-B...  My tax $ stopped working about a month ago.  Our county had a program like that for a number of years but they now sat; 'Dump it in the bins.'  After seeing pictures of those places in MEX and Asia where they 'mine' old PCs and printers with hammers - maybe those countries no longer want our old plastic C'hit for the few bits of copper and other metals.

I am currently doing my share to add to the C'hit pile:  I am cutting up a 27' FB Cruiser and hauling it to the landfill.  The engines and metal bits will go to the metal salvage yard and I will be free of being reminded of a grand project I failed to compete.

Jim

[goodfornothin]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/11/news/china-scrap-ban-us-recycling/index.html

"In the short term we're going to see a significant drop of exports from the U.S. into China, and there is a little bit of panic in the market," said Adina Adler, an official at the U.S. Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries (ISRI).

There are no longterm solutions either, nobody is stepping up, its all.going into local dumps as of jan 1

Not a molecule problem?  Yeah, except the hormone disruptors used to build out plastics are ubuquitous in our enviornment, ie oceans.    It aint a local problem.   

[PonoBill]

For the record. I don't believe that pollution of the ocean, or the general lack of care sin pollutant production is a local problem. I do believe, or rather know, that the video in question is of a local problem.

And yes, everything has a tailipipe, recycling included. The billions of stockpiled tires that blighted the landscape in the 1990's have been reduced to 50 million mostly by burning them to make cement. Arguably those calciners are going to run anyway, and every tire burned replaces gallons of oil, but it's still making CO2 and lots of other stuff.

But I'm not inclined to view every problem as the start of the apocalypse. Human-caused problems can be human-solved. It takes time, awareness of the problems and people working toward solutions. People are amazingly resistant to making the required changes, and a hell of a lot more willing to complain than work to solve something. Everyone is an environmentalist until there's a sacrifice or effort required.

[goodfornothin]

there are no local problems, we are all connected, above and below= salt, alcohol and oil.

There is no science or will or money to remove the base hormone disruptors from the enviornment. They will continue to disrupt the cylcle of life for a very long time. 

Plastics, oil, gas and industrial salts have destroyed our biosphere,,,plenty of good science to show that

[PonoBill]

Well then there's no point in making any effort, full speed ahead, all doomed anyway.

Sorry, that's just monumentally stupid and consistent with every doomsday predictor. Its been 73 years since Hiroshima and the doomsday clock is still stuck at two minutes to midnight. Earth to "atomic scientists", your fucking clock is busted.

[yugi]

...
Everyone is an environmentalist until there's a sacrifice or effort required.

"People wish to be settled; only as far as they are unsettled is there any hope for them."

― Ralph Waldo Emerson

[yugi]

Well then there's no point in making any effort, full speed ahead, all doomed anyway.

Sorry, that's just monumentally stupid and consistent with every doomsday predictor. Its been 73 years since Hiroshima and the doomsday clock is still stuck at two minutes to midnight. Earth to "atomic scientists", your fucking clock is busted.

No.

They only just very recently moved it back to 2 mins to midnight.

For the very 2 concerns I expressed about Trump cumming into power. War and environment.

When they started that clock, yes at 2 mins to midnight, it was a pretty scary period. Fact is we just got back to it.

Here's to hoping it's a trimtab.

[pun intended]

[goodfornothin]

Stop with name calling,  nobody said we are all going to die.    Its impossible to have a sane conversation in this echo chamber of ponobill, seriously

Your statements of it being local is Bullshit
Your statement of being fixable is Bullshit

You being full of shit doesnt make me a doomer or wrong, or anybody else that disagrees with you

Nobody mentioned nuclear

I mentioned hormone disruptors broken down from plastics, its killing the biology of the world. There is no science that can tackle that,,,,its a fact. How about stay on topic

Or back to my other point, you kill every conversation at this place that has any substinence, other than your personal interests,,,ie, batteries, motors, oil, houses, garages and more toys and plastic

Have at it. This place sucks because of you,,,, my opinion.   Good bye

[yugi]

LOL

Good4nothing, take a breather and come back tomorrow. I learned something new with the info you sourced. Thanks. So stay.

[IMO] Pono was obviously just referring to the original poster's viddy of big [yes, local] plastic crap.

You're right. He's right. Reality is we humans suck!

Well, corporate CEO's more because they have to produce quarterly stock results. That's how they are measured. Not on how much they pollute. That is until we impose a cost on it.

Not going to happen in a country controlled by corporations. Just do the math.

Case in point:
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/03/how-trump-is-changing-science-environment/

Trimtab. Hopefully.

And hopefully our Patcha Mama is resilient.