Reduce heart disease ..a Ouija board is next

[Wetstuff]

https://theskepticalcardiologist.com/2019/06/18/is-dean-ornishs-lifestyle-program-scientifically-proven-to-undo-reverse-heart-disease/

Jim

[Bean]

The Ouija board is just too flexible, it's an Indo or Goof-board for me...

[eastbound]

great site, wet---seen it before

much as i read the site in the interest of personally improving health, i am entertained by the debunking of conventional science wisdom--diet and health are a rich fields in which to debunk and anthony does a nice job sifting through the garbage

[mrbig]

No meat, poultry, fish, or eggs since 1973. I survived SCA. My cardiologist who is not a diet bigot thinks that certainly helped my survival and recovery.

The fact that I refused all the allopathic meds, and followed a very different path which ultimately has led to a full recovery is another tale.🤣😎🌠🌈

[Topwater]

Dean Ornish has written a rebuttal if you want both sides.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/cardiology/prevention/80916?fbclid=IwAR2Rbs3aS23j5Xud8sjItRx6qaLHai4kd0_tN5l30EPeHAF_TEVO5J6W7fQ

[Wetstuff]

Good for you, Bigs.  Being from the upper Midwest, I can easily live w/o fish and crustaceans, but I still eat most everything ...just not the quantity.   You sound like you had something similar to the Ornish diet.

Thanks for posting that, TW... I got thru about half of the Ornish response.  But came back to a nagging sentence: "These include a whole foods plant-based diet low in both fat and sugar/refined carbohydrates, moderate exercise, stress management techniques, and social support."

I am certainly no scientist, diet'toligist or physician, but my personal nose tells me the scale is weighted to the center-two out of the four. The later I dismiss with; 'Yer'either goona or not?!  I ain't goona mak'ya."  IHOP is selling a 'short stack' of pancakes for .58 cents three days from now. Whad'da bet very few <34" waists will be waiting for the doors to open? 

I could easily change if I was plunked into Thailand or somesuch, but, it's white corn season now...   I would suspect that the bulk of the people here are a good bit healthier than average, no matter the strictness of their diet.

Jim

[spirit4earth]

No meat, poultry, fish, or eggs since 1973. I survived SCA. My cardiologist who is not a diet bigot thinks that certainly helped my survival and recovery.

The fact that I refused all the allopathic meds, and followed a very different path which ultimately has led to a full recovery is another tale.🤣😎🌠🌈

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Curious....do you eat/drink dairy?

[mrbig]

Sure do..

[WhatsSUP]

Holy Hell!

I feel like pretty lucky.... 58 years of age and I eat EVERYTHING I desire and crave with the exception of raw seafood.  I LOVE a couple of beers each eve. but no hard stuff...never a shot or mixed drink kinda guy.  I workout (cardio and weights) and/or surf every day of the week (religiously) and feel pretty good at 6' 1" and 180-185lbs., but have a history of head/neck cancer and skin cancer so appreciate every day and my local opportunities and friends!!!  Life is good!