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Started by stoneaxe, March 23, 2016, 09:10:10 PM

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robon

Quote from: Area 10 on March 26, 2016, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: supsurf-tw on March 26, 2016, 10:40:13 AM
One of the biggest arguments against him are that he is is anti immigration when actually it's ILLEGAL immigration he's against. Most of the haters tend to leave out the ILLEGAL part of the sentence. The Muslim refugees being accepted? I don't think you need to look past what's happening in Europe to see the outcome.
Can you please explain this last sentence? I'm a European, and I don't know what you mean.

Two of the deadliest terrorist attacks happened on American soil, so I'm really curious has to what the phock that is supposed to mean myself.

SeldomScene

Quote from: Zooport on March 26, 2016, 02:08:56 PM
Quote from: Tom on March 26, 2016, 10:18:56 AM
give assault rifles to all the teachers.

Being a teacher, I have only one thing to say about giving assault rifles to teachers; "Cool!"

Arming teachers would not be necessary if you simply posted a "no guns allowed" or "gun free zone" sign at the door.  Anyone thinking of shooting up the place would not pass such a sign with a firearm, thus breaking the rules.

eastbound

trump is a guy born rich, who failed as a businessman, but created a cheesy wealth brand that has earned him a bit of money. is is amazing to me that those who feel disenfranchised think that trump will be the guy who includes their concerns in the political process. icky's right--us nyers have seen trumps self-serving bogus act for years--he is no man of the people!

please cite a business success of trump's--just one, so we can see how he will run this country like a business.
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Quote from: robon on March 26, 2016, 07:04:31 PM
Quote from: Area 10 on March 26, 2016, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: supsurf-tw on March 26, 2016, 10:40:13 AM
One of the biggest arguments against him are that he is is anti immigration when actually it's ILLEGAL immigration he's against. Most of the haters tend to leave out the ILLEGAL part of the sentence. The Muslim refugees being accepted? I don't think you need to look past what's happening in Europe to see the outcome.
Can you please explain this last sentence? I'm a European, and I don't know what you mean.

Two of the deadliest terrorist attacks happened on American soil, so I'm really curious has to what the phock that is supposed to mean myself.


What it means is that Americans are jumping to the conclusion that the recent flood of refugees into europe carries with it the source of recent attacks. It's a ridiculous conclusion, but that doesn't stop media or political types from fanning that flame.
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Quote from: PonoBill on March 27, 2016, 02:25:17 AM
Quote from: robon on March 26, 2016, 07:04:31 PM
Quote from: Area 10 on March 26, 2016, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: supsurf-tw on March 26, 2016, 10:40:13 AM
One of the biggest arguments against him are that he is is anti immigration when actually it's ILLEGAL immigration he's against. Most of the haters tend to leave out the ILLEGAL part of the sentence. The Muslim refugees being accepted? I don't think you need to look past what's happening in Europe to see the outcome.
Can you please explain this last sentence? I'm a European, and I don't know what you mean.
Two of the deadliest terrorist attacks happened on American soil, so I'm really curious has to what the phock that is supposed to mean myself.
What it means is that Americans are jumping to the conclusion that the recent flood of refugees into europe carries with it the source of recent attacks. It's a ridiculous conclusion, but that doesn't stop media or political types from fanning that flame.
We are and the fans are being flamed. Not really sure what to say about that. How can you not consider events of the last 15 years or so and with the rise of attacks, cells, ISIS, immigrants........owch.  I do know it has always struck me as odd that.....we have planes and boats coming into our country every day from all parts of the world and people visiting but so many people can not just cross the border to visit......they gots to sneak in. I know there are Mexicans driving across every day, (I think. Those lines at the borders aren't all Americans trying to get back across, are they?) and planes with Mexicans on them from Mexico City every day arriving. How come so many have to sneak in? I find that rather odd.
Area 10.....I get an idea of your own personal thoughts regarding at least one of the candidates.....and have seen some of how your mind ticks in the past but I am curious how the media over there abroad portrays the candidates. Not just Donald but all of them. Even Carson, Christie, Bush, Rubio, etc. Hillary and Bernie for sure. Do you guys even know about Kasich? More interested in media portrayal rather than your thought process or ideology tho not sure how one can separate the two. Does the "average" person over there have any clue about all this over here? Is it......in your face news? Is the casual observer clued in? Who is painted as the good guy or the bad guy? I would imagine some interest in world events or politics would be needed to know about events over here but not sure. I know, in this day and age I can look up anything from anywhere and read up or even watch tho I don't think that would provide .........a general portrayal.

Area 10

Right now a group of self-proclaimed "Fascists against Terrorism" have invaded the Place de la Bourse in Brussels (the capital of Belgium) where a peaceful tribute to those who died in the recent Brussels bombings was being held. The Fascists were very organised, and targeted a group of Muslim women and their children who were also mourning at the event (innocent civilians from 40 different countries were killed in the bombing, including US citizens).

I've just seen a middle-aged European male mourner with tears in his eyes because of the acts of the Fascists. They had to be dispersed by the police with water cannons. It is clear that there are political forces at work that are using every terrorist event, and the humanitarian disaster in Syria and the Middle East, to try to stoke fear and racism in order to further their own attempts at power.

Most of Europe sees Trump and Cruz as part of this rise of right-wing extremism. ISIS are getting exactly what they want. They want to polarise people and create an apocalypse. We are playing straight into their hands.

Coverage of the US election is wall-to-wall in Europe. I'm watching a very detailed exposition on it on the BBC right now. The current topic is Bernie Sanders' latest wins.

It is fair to say that Europe likes Obama. We feel that he is basically a decent honourable man who has been hobbled by political forces within the US that prevent change from occurring. Mostly the coverage of the US election is a mixture of dismay, disbelief, and sadness. We wonder if this is how civil war or maybe a Third World War starts. And we wonder how a great country like the US could possibly be holding up Trump and Cruz as examples of the best you've got. This is politics as reality TV, with the candidates acting like participants on the Jerry Springer show. We are comfortable with more measured tones, and considered statements such as you get from Angela Merkel. Maybe it's a cultural thing.

Tom

If you're interested in what the world thinks, you can read read their newspapers on the internet.  The Drudge report http://www.drudgereport.com/ has a link to many world news services and newspapers. Here are the services they have links too.

AP TOP
AP WORLD
AP NATIONAL
AP WASHINGTON
AP BUSINESS
AP ENTERTAINMENT
AP HEADLINE WALL
AP RAW
AP RADIO
BLOOMBERG
BUSINESS WIRE
DEUTSCHE PRESSE-AGENTUR
DOW JONES
EFE
INDO-ASIAN NEWS SERVICE
INTERFAX
ISLAMIC REPUBLIC WIRE
ITAR-TASS
KYODO
MCCLATCHY [DC]
PRAVDA
PRESS ASSOCIATION
PRESS TRUST INDIA
PR NEWSWIRE
[SHOWBIZ] PR WIRE
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US INFO WIRE
WENN SHOWBIZ
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magentawave

Quote from: stoneaxe on March 25, 2016, 11:43:48 PM
Cruz completely creeps me out. I picture him as the candidate in the Stephen King book the Dead Zone. He'd be pushing the button while screaming Praise Jesus.

Yeah, no kidding. He looks like a freaking undertaker! Normally I don't care about someone's physical appearance but this thing about Cruz not being a DC insider is bullsh*t. That parasite has been sucking off the taxpayer trough for a very long time and his wife was with the CFR for 5 years and is a vp at Goldman and Sachs.

The Truth About Ted Cruz with tons of sources listed in the description:
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magentawave

Quote from: Tom on March 26, 2016, 07:31:24 AM
so, where  does  all  the  anger  come  from ? Are  things  that  bad  or  does watching    all  the  24  hour  news  promote  it ?

24 hour corporate news, i.e. state propaganda, doesn't help but people are pissed off and feel helpless. The politicians won't change the status quo and they have a standing military in every city to make sure we continue to be obedient tax cattle. I don't think there are political solutions so let's go surfing instead!



Quote from: supsurf-tw on March 26, 2016, 10:40:13 AM
The parties are scared shitless that Don will upset their ability to continue their personal agendas that serve nobody but themselves.

BINGO! And THAT's why this is the most entertaining election cycle of my life!



Quote from: Area 10 on March 26, 2016, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: supsurf-tw on March 26, 2016, 10:40:13 AM
One of the biggest arguments against him are that he is is anti immigration when actually it's ILLEGAL immigration he's against. Most of the haters tend to leave out the ILLEGAL part of the sentence. The Muslim refugees being accepted? I don't think you need to look past what's happening in Europe to see the outcome.
Can you please explain this last sentence? I'm a European, and I don't know what you mean.

The southern border of the US is porous and people that cross legally and illegally can get lots of free government handouts. The US gov has $200+ TRILLION DOLLARS in unfunded liabilities. Unfunded liabilities means this is money that the US has promised to pay out in the future for social programs. In other words, the US gov is broke.

Trump wants a wall and I'm against a wall because history has proven that governments have used walls to keep people in. However, it's common sense that you can't have open borders with the welfare state and when you're creating new "terrorists" by the day because you've been bombing the crap out of the middle east for decades.



Quote from: eastbound on March 26, 2016, 07:58:55 PM
trump is a guy born rich, who failed as a businessman, but created a cheesy wealth brand that has earned him a bit of money. is is amazing to me that those who feel disenfranchised think that trump will be the guy who includes their concerns in the political process. icky's right--us nyers have seen trumps self-serving bogus act for years--he is no man of the people!

please cite a business success of trump's--just one, so we can see how he will run this country like a business.

I agree that his face on the water bottles is cheesy, but if you're going to criticize Trump then I wouldn't use "failed businessman" as a reason because the guy has been incredibly successful. True, he was born into money, but unlike some rich kids that sit on their arse all their lives, Trump has created a huge business empire that far eclipses anything his dad did. And as far as "running a country like a business" - that's impossible because every penny governments rake in is stolen from others at gunpoint, whereas businesses must offer goods and services that people want and VOLUNTARILY CHOOSE to pay for.



Quote from: Area 10 on March 27, 2016, 07:33:51 AM
It is fair to say that Europe likes Obama. We feel that he is basically a decent honourable man who has been hobbled by political forces within the US that prevent change from occurring. Mostly the coverage of the US election is a mixture of dismay, disbelief, and sadness. We wonder if this is how civil war or maybe a Third World War starts. And we wonder how a great country like the US could possibly be holding up Trump and Cruz as examples of the best you've got.

They aren't just "holding up Trump and Cruz" here because Hitlery Rotten Clitnon is running too you know and she has lots of blood on her hands from her time as secretary of state and was one of the ones instrumental for creating ISIS.

If Europe "likes" Obama then they are as misinformed as most of the people in the US are because Obama has gotten away with continuing and expanding EVERYTHING Bush started. The only reason he's gotten away with it is because most main stream media has been silent since the day he was inaugurated. Yup, if you're on the "D" team then they keep their mouths shut.

There is a very long list of reasons why Obama is NOT a "decent honorable man" and here's a few for starters... He has continued the US's destabilization and war of terror in the middle east. He tripled US soldiers in Afghanistan shortly after the idiots gave him a Nobel "Peace" Prize. He authorized Fast and Furious. He re-signed the Patriot Act. He signed NDAA. He has prosecuted more government whistleblowers than ALL presidents before him combined. He decides over his morning coffee who to murder in the middle east that day with drones and latest stats show that 90% of the deaths are innocent with many being children. He is creating a police state here from militarizing the police across the US with equipment from Iraq to smash future insurrection. He has authorized countless DEA thug style raids on LEGAL pot shops across the US. Get informed and you will see that by any sane standard of decency, the guy is a mass murderer as were both Bush's before him as well as Bill Clinton. Please turn OFF all the media sources you are using because they are lying to you.
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eastbound

i am on board with much that you say magenta, but trump aint no savvy businessman--in fact there is compelling research that indicates his net worth to be no more than a few hundred million dollars--now if daddy gives a kid a couple hundred million in the early 80's and now 35 years later that kid has, well, a few hundred million, that is more a business failure than anything else.

and, again, i challenge you to provide me details on any one unmitigated business home run hit by the donald--there aint none, and there are plenty of hilarious strikeouts.
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Magentawave: Wow - one man made all that happen? What incredible authority you must invest in your president. Even more reason to be careful about who you pick next, surely? I don't think I - or the rest of Europe - has any dog in this fight. We just want stability, peace, and prosperity in the US and don't see the current presidential race as contributing to it.

magentawave

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Quote from: Area 10 on March 27, 2016, 05:25:40 PM
Magentawave: Wow - one man made all that happen? What incredible authority you must invest in your president. Even more reason to be careful about who you pick next, surely? I don't think I - or the rest of Europe - has any dog in this fight. We just want stability, peace, and prosperity in the US and don't see the current presidential race as contributing to it.

No, not one man. It takes a village of psychopaths to commit these crimes, but since Obama is supposedly at the helm then the buck stops with him just like it did with Bush.

All sane caring humans want peace and prosperity. I just don't see how the same "village" that brings us war and poverty has any desire to fix it.



Quote from: eastbound on March 27, 2016, 05:15:44 PM
i am on board with much that you say magenta, but trump aint no savvy businessman--in fact there is compelling research that indicates his net worth to be no more than a few hundred million dollars--now if daddy gives a kid a couple hundred million in the early 80's and now 35 years later that kid has, well, a few hundred million, that is more a business failure than anything else.

and, again, i challenge you to provide me details on any one unmitigated business home run hit by the donald--there aint none, and there are plenty of hilarious strikeouts.

You might be right and only time will tell.
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Area 10

I suspect that many of us - of all nationalities - would agree with you about the problem, and the symptoms. It's just that few of us can go from that to seeing the likes of Trump and Cruz (in particular, but not exclusively) as the solution. It seems to be a non-sequitur. Out of the frying pan and into the furnace.

lucabrasi

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Quote from: eastbound on March 27, 2016, 05:15:44 PM
i am on board with much that you say magenta, but trump aint no savvy businessman--in fact there is compelling research that indicates his net worth to be no more than a few hundred million dollars--now if daddy gives a kid a couple hundred million in the early 80's and now 35 years later that kid has, well, a few hundred million, that is more a business failure than anything else.
and, again, i challenge you to provide me details on any one unmitigated business home run hit by the donald--there aint none, and there are plenty of hilarious strikeouts.
Would that be Donald Trump "...net worth no more than a few hundred millon..." or would that be everything encompassing Trump and all he has his fingers in? I got no clue. Has to be massive debt involved.....massive land values...

The Apprentice? New Jersey Generals? Miss America? Maralago? I don't know and I don't know the insides nor outsides but I just don't see how anyone could deny that he has been successful. Ruthless and many stepped on and left in the trail along the way I am sure, as is common in such high stakes I would think, whether good or bad, right or wrong. Keep hearing about steaks, university, and bankruptcies but.....he's always come back from the bankruptcies??? Seems like it, still ticking. Steaks? What a crappy idea. Ego for sure. University? Does sound shady for sure, lot's like it out there whcih doesn't make it good or right..... Tony Robbinsish crossed with Don Lapre? I wonder if that was one of his kids ideas? His kids do seem pretty well rounded for the most part and don't sound at all like spoiled brats, at least from what I have heard come out of their mouth. Yes, some of their activities are more....things only wealth would allow but still pretty rounded individuals it seems.
Just a random thought popped up. Was this supposed to be the year for Mr. Spitzer?
Oh yeah......I found it funny as all get out when Ted kept pointing out Donald's contributions to the Clintons, etc. It seemed such a last grasp effort on his part when he was doing that. Who couldn't have thought "well, duh" when he was doing that.
A bit more than 7 months still........wow.

spookini

In other news, Trump met with the editorial board of the Washington Post last week.  Their assessment (actual headlines):

"Donald Trump's shocking ignorance, laid bare"
"The most baffling moments from Donald Trump's interview"
"We met with Donald Trump.  Electing him will be a radical risk."

At one point, they ask Trump whether he'd use tactical nukes on ISIS?  He responds by telling them how badly he dominated Jeb Bush.
They ask him why he talked about his d*ck size during a nationally televised debate?  Trump: "He (Rubio) started it."

Literally: "he started it".  This guy would be an embarassment if he was running for junior high class president.

He also went on to describe his hands as "big, strong, powerful", and for good measure, told one of the female reporters she was 'beautiful' as he left the interview.  Good stuff!
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