My new Assymetrical TimSUP

[Strand Leper]

PDX,

I read, and reread your post about a dozen times looking for the play on words, the pun, or the joke.  I think I have to read it backwards.

Green,

Corran is a huge fan of the chined rail. My other shaper. Roger, not so much. IMO, it softens up the bite in the rails  a bit, (I don't like that aspect of the chined rail when burying a rail in a turn... Cuz it makes it harder).  That having been said, it is really hard to accidentally "catch a rail" when riding out of a big move... And as long as you stick with it, and don't bury the nose too deeply, you can ride out of just about anything.  

I guess the bottom line is that it forces you to surf from the tail a bit when turning (if u are really trying to lay down a committed turn) Which can be good or bad.

SL

[Bean]

PDX,
I read, and reread your post about a dozen times looking for the play on words, the pun, or the joke.  I think I have to read it backwards.
SL

Sincerity, an asymetrical form of sarcasm

[pdxmike]

PDX,

I read, and reread your post about a dozen times looking for the play on words, the pun, or the joke.  I think I have to read it backwards.

Just messing with you.  It happens every once in a while--DJ's videos, etc. 

If it makes you feel any better, I did think your Medici remark was a bit patronizing.

[pdxmike]

PDX,

I read, and reread your post about a dozen times looking for the play on words, the pun, or the joke.  I think I have to read it backwards.

Just messing with you.  It happens every once in a while--DJ's videos, etc. 

If it makes you feel any better, I did think your Medici remark was a bit patronizing.

Of course, if you wrote what I said down on a piece of paper, a few words per line (not saying how many) then took the third letter from the left on each line and read down vertically, you might get a surprise....

Speaking of not being able to figure something out, I'm still trying to figure out how you knew you read it "about a dozen times".  I can't see how you'd know once you got past nine. 

[Strand Leper]

Good one bean!  Very PDX of you.

PDX, the reference to Santa Maria del Fiore was just for you.

I found the pattern.  Redrum...

Kind of freaky.

SL

[Biggreen]

Thanks SL!  I think I can understand why Corran may be a fan of the chined rail. In whitewater if you want/need to change direction, just drop a rail/bury an edge and you're off (an over simplification mind you, but in a nutshell).  I thought it might be because it would go rail to rail easier, especially with the width of most of these Simmons style boards. And just for the record, I haven't even graduated to the "big move" much less having had to worry about burying a rail coming out of one.

So if you wouldn't mind indulging the only 40 watt bulb in the 100 watt pack..."I don't like that aspect of the chined rail when burying a rail in a turn...cuz it makes it harder".  Because you have to commit more to to the turn, or because it's just that much harder to bury the rail? And does it offer less bite when you do?
My reasons for asking are because as more of a newbie I thought they might offer a more forgiving performance edge for those of us working on our rail to rail technique.  And I was thinking of using chined rails on my next board.  Now I'm not so sure. And more importantly, any possibility chined rails might help hasten the advance of my technique enough that it would impress any one of the 37 pages worth of adorable beauties on the HOT chicks thread...favorably?

Thanks SL, like everyone here, I always appreciate your posts, insight, and experience.

[pdxmike]

PDX, the reference to Santa Maria del Fiore was just for you.

So I guess that phrase proves one thing--there IS such thing as a Santa clause. 

[Strand Leper]

No worries big green...

The chines rails IMO are a bit like training wheels. They help a great deal, up to a point... And then they inhibit the last 5 percent of performance.

As you have said nicely, it inhibits the rail bite.

I think that it really helps a newbie get comfortable riding waves...

SL

[Dwight (DW)]

CoreVac boards in Florida all have chines. I tried one once. It was forgiving and I thought it was a good idea for the forward third of a board on some shapes. Particularly anything with low nose rocker. I have yet to put them into my shapes, but expect to try one someday.

[SUPflorida]

SL Your thoughts of using the asymmetrical design on wide/short boards...it is obvious that you gravitate to minimum board size that can get the job done....for those of us that have not developed your cat like balance yet (and maybe never will)...In your opinion...and from your discussions with Corran, does the asymmetrical concept work as the width gets pushed out beyond 28"? Like 30" or even 32"? Would it enhance the performance even more on a 32" wide board over a symmetrical one all other things being equal? You insight would be appreciated.

[magentawave]

This board looks awesome dude!

SUPflorida - Not that you asked me, but until SL chimes in...   I shaped an asy surfboard and a couple asy wave sailboards in the past and all worked great. My thinking is that the asy sup makes a helluva lot of sense with such wide and thick beasts. I mean lets face it, once on the wave all that width and thickness is a liability and even a 26" wide sup (super narrow by sup standards) is still ridiculously wide by surfboard standards. So customizing the outline by making it more backside and frontside friendly and then shaving inches off the backside tail has to make it turn rail to rail better with the goal of being able to do shred quick turns without having to shift your feet. Same goes for the chined rail. I was never much into surfing longboards but after riding a Stewart Hydrohull and a Walden Magic I was convinced that chined/beveled rails are totally happening on long boards because they make the board turn as if it was a narrower board. (I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like beveled rails on short surfboards though) By the way...  I asked Kurt to shape my Simsup with a wide Steve Walden like bevel (like he does on the S4 and like Corran does) but he misunderstood me and ended up shaping it with the much narrower Bill Stewart bevel. Oh well.

[JeanG]

SL, this board looks just incredible. Being more fun than the TimSUP is a pretty fucking high bar to clear. Do you find yourself going for the Assym over the TimSUP? What if they were both the same size?

[Strand Leper]

Jean G,

Fortunately, since I picked up the Assym the surf has been PUMPING and I would not have taken out the TimSUP... I am looking forward to trying the Assym in ankle slappers and comparing it to the TimSUP.  From the way I feel the board accelerating, turning and surfing, I have a feeling that there might be a TimSUP in the classifieds in the relatively near future.

SUPgator,

I think the Assym (done right) makes the board surf as if it were a narrower board.. So, yes, I think that Assym design makes sense for wider boards. I bet that you could stand and surf on mine!  It is THAT stable.

SL

[surf monkey]

The chine rails look like the PSH hull ripper.

http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=13301.0

[Boludo]

I don't go technical on this stuff but I do know that my favorite longboard was walden magic with chined rails and maybe that's also why I've been nuts over my SIMSUP S4.

Words from L41 on the S4.
SIMSUP 4 (S4) is the result of rider feedback and the evolving design of the SIMSUP series. The S4 maintains the elements that make the SIMSUP family work (short/wide plan shape, early entry and quick acceleration, etc.) but with a narrower nose and tail, increased tail rocker and V under the back foot and it's unique bottom contours this design is truly in a class of it's own. The bottom is unlike anything you've ever seen. A hulled entry quickly transitions into a deep double concave and finishes with a V bottom through the fin cluster. This allows for quick and easy wave entry and plenty of lift at speed. The chined rails provide a hard edge to help relieve the suction pressure created by water flow over the concaves and initiate turns. This rail design also decreases the rail volume and makes the board surf like it's much narrower. The S4 goes rail to rail with ease and excels at both high trim speed runs and tight turns in the pocket.