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Gear Talk / Re: Choosing the right paddle
« on: October 30, 2010, 11:06:07 PM »
First things first, before getting into the technique you need the right paddle to work with.




Topics:

Shaft: Length and shape

Blade: size and shape

Materials: flex, weight, pricing

Fixed length vs. adjustable

Double bend shafts




When people talk about SUP equipment it is usually about the board while the paddle is often neglected despite it's importance. Some factors to consider when choosing a paddle are:




Shaft:

There is no set formula for length, more of a personal preference. If in doubt, size the paddle longer and tape the handle without gluing it, then shorten it to a comfortable length. Remember, it is easy to shorten the shaft but difficult to lengthen it once it's cut. As a guideline, for surfing, the paddle should be 4"-6" taller than user. For flat water paddling it should be 6"-12" taller. Some other factors to consider are the thickness and floatation of the board used (the thicker the board and the higher you are up off the water, the longer the paddle should be); the dimensions of the blade (a long, narrow blade needs a longer shaft than a short, wide blade). As a rule of thumb, if you stand the paddle upside down on the handle, the base of the blade (waterline when paddling) should be at nose or eye level for distance paddling.




If the paddle is too long it can cause the shoulder to over-extend and can be harder to "power up". If the paddle is too short, it forces the paddler to hunch over which can cause lower back problems. A shorter paddle also limits forward reach and leverage and makes it more difficult to plant the whole blade in the water before applying power.




The shape of the shaft and handle are important and personal preference matters- it should feel comfortable in your hands. I find smaller, oval shaped shafts and rounded palm grips most comfortable. Try the feel of several paddles and see which ones feels most comfortable in your hands. While rounded palm grips are comfortable, the rounded edges are not as easy to catch.  If you often miss or slip off a rounded palm grip and bang yourself in the head with it as I have done many times, you might find a T-handle easier to catch with your thumb as you switch sides, like in the picture below.




Blade:

The most important consideration when choosing a blade is to match the surface area of the blade to the paddler. Think of a 10 speed bike: you use a low gear to accelerate and/or go uphill and switch to a higher gear as you are going faster. If you suddenly stop the bike in a high gear and then try to get it going again, you have to apply all your weight to the pedals while the bike is barely moving forward. Accelerating in a high gear is very slow and exhausting. This is what happens if you are using a blade that is too big. Since a paddle is more like a single speed bike, you need to choose a blade that is small enough to let you accelerate easily and paddle uphill (into the wind) but still big enough to hold water at higher speeds without cavitation. Generally, a lighter, smaller paddler should use a smaller blade, while a heavier, stronger paddler can go with a bigger blade.

To use the same gearing comparison- a longer paddle is like a higher gear with more leverage while a shorter paddle is like a lower gear with faster stroke rate. You can somewhat adjust the "gearing" by changing the grip of the lower hand on your paddle (some move both hands lower on the shaft, effectively making their paddle shorter). Gripping the shaft lower will result in a "low gear" for accelerating and going upwind while gripping it higher will result in a "high gear" with longer reach for higher speeds.



These are the  C4 Waterman paddles I use, the upper blade is my surfing blade, the lower my distance/ racing blade (XPR), which has a slightly larger surface area (same width but longer blade).  The shaft on the surfing paddle is also about 2" shorter than my racing paddle.  When surfing, you need to be able to accelerate from a complete stop to catch a wave, so a "lower gear" works better, while distance paddling is more about maintaining a higher speed where a "high gear" is more efficient.






There are many blade outlines and shapes on the market and some work better than others. I find that a dihedral or "spine" on the face of the blade will somewhat reduce "flutter", the tendency of the blade to move side to side when powered up.   The picture above shows the dihedral and carbon/ kevlar blend weave of the blade.







A thin blade edge will allow smooth water entry and exit but is also more likely to damage the rails of the board. A plastic paddle edge guard will protect the rails and paddle edge and is highly recommended for entry level paddlers. The down side is that it makes the entry and exit of the paddle less efficient. Quickblade uses a ABS plastic blade edge- a good idea.



The sharp edges of this blade are covered by plastic paddle edge guard.




Materials, Flex, Weight:

So you found a paddle length and blade size that works well for you. Another important aspect is construction. The paddle should feel "lively" and have a "snappy" flex. The paddle should flex naturally when you power it up and release the flex at the end of the stroke. There is some controversy as to whether flex is lost power. I find that as I learned to release the blade efficiently I can direct the stored energy of the flex forward to send the paddle back forward into the reach position, making the recovery effortless and giving the body a moment to relax. Good paddles are constructed to allow a powerful, snappy flex. Weight is important in distance paddling as a heavier paddle will tire out the paddler sooner.  Since the paddle is lifted out of the water hundreds of times during distance paddling, every ounce matters here.

Here are some of the pros and cons of the most commonly used paddles on the market:




Aluminum Paddles:

Pros: Anodized aircraft aluminum is strong, corrosion resistant, and affordable.

Cons: weight- usually heavier, not much flex



The Aquaglide aluminum vario paddle is strong, adjustable and affordable- a good choice for entry level and family use.

Wood Paddles:

Pros: Natural flex- wood has a great flex that is easy on the joints. Wood paddles are usually handcrafted and can be personalized works of art. They are also made mostly from natural and renewable resources and are therefore more environmentally friendly.  Some paddlers swear by wood paddles, see this blog post by Jenny Kalmbach.


Cons: Weight to strength ratio- wood paddles can be heavier and/or not as strong for the same weight and can be expensive.



Everpaddle makes nice wood paddles from reclaimed wood.







Fiberglass Paddles:

Pros: flexible, strong, inexpensive compared to carbon.  Great choice for everyday or heavy duty  use.

Cons: heavier than carbon, flex is softer, very strong if made well.




Carbon Paddles:

Pros: Light and stiff, snappy flex, preferred construction for most racing paddles.

Cons: Can be too stiff (hard on joints) if not designed well, expensive.  Carbon is stiffer and will break at a certain point, while fiberglass and kevlar allow for more flex before breaking, it is also sensitive to nicks and dings that can weaken the integrity of the whole paddle.




Composite Paddles:

Carbon, fiberglass, and other materials such as Kevlar, dynel, wood and others can be combined.

Pros: Composite materials can improve flex and weight to strength ratio if designed well.

Different fabric materials and composition, weaves and wrapping/ layup can be used to influence flex characteristics and feel, there are many opportunities for innovation and testing in this area.

Cons: can be more expensive, new technology still being perfected.




Fixed length vs. adjustable:

If you are the only one using the paddle and don't use it for travel, a fixed length paddle is the best choice as it is lighter and has better flex characteristics than an adjustable length or two piece paddle. If you are sharing the paddle with others, having an adjustable length is a nice feature. For travel, it's nice to have a two or even three piece paddle that can easily store in your luggage.




Double bend paddles:

The picture below shows a Werner Paddles double bend paddle shaft vs. straight shaft, illustrating how the double bend allows extra reach.  The double bend also allows a straighter grip angle for the lower hand and reportedly reduces flutter.  I have not had a chance to try these yet and I have not seen many in use but  I can see some potential here.  Werner does not recommend them for use in the surf.

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Thanks for reading, Aloha!

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Gear Talk / Choosing the right paddle
« on: October 30, 2010, 10:20:14 PM »

Topics:
Shaft: Length and shape
Blade: size and shape
Materials: flex, weight, pricing- pros and cons
Fixed length vs. adjustable
Double bend shafts


Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

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Gear Talk / Re: have you gotten to try a double bend paddle ?
« on: October 21, 2010, 01:31:46 AM »
Hi six feet,
thanks for the compliment and the picture of the drill, that actually makes sense to me and you are right, the bend should give you more directional control of the blade and therefore reduce flutter.
Thanks!

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Gear Talk / Re: have you gotten to try a double bend paddle ?
« on: October 18, 2010, 12:28:22 AM »
in my experience, a well designed blade with a diherdal that splits the water at the entry point greatly reduces flutter.  A flat blade face tends to flutter more as does a bigger blade, so the difference in the flutter might be a result of a better blade face design or smaller blade more than the double bend.

I find the picture with the additional reach convincing.
I know Werner paddles is offering them now and I think I might have to order some to offer at our shop and to try out.
Nikki Gregg won the BOP age group race on a double bend last year and my friend Kainoa Beaupre likes his but I noticed that Dan Gravere, the Werner sales rep, usually uses a straight shaft when racing...

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Downwind and Racing / Re: Off-Board Training - Swimming Pool?
« on: October 17, 2010, 10:42:48 PM »
PDX- that could work- paddle tug of war.  In a big enough pool you could tie two boards together by the leash plugs, start in the middle and try to pull the other guy twoards your end of the pool- that could be a fun race idea for the SUP tank at Surf Expo.

ehrawn-I recently watched "social network" where the Harvard rowing crew boys were training in an indoor tank, that got me thinking, too.

I was thinking some more about the whole pool thing, too.

A swimming drill is to use long rubber bands and swim in place against the resistance of the cord- a tough workout and hard to do for more than one or two minutes. 
You could actually just attach your leash on one end of the pool and paddle away from it.
The problem once again is that it feels like every stroke is like the first one or like paddling into a very strong headwind.
In real paddling, the goal is to plant the blade and move your body past it.   The faster you move through the water, the faster your blade has to move. That is difficult to recreate in a water tank  unless you somehow allow for a current that moves faster the harder you paddle. 



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Downwind and Racing / Re: Off-Board Training - Swimming Pool?
« on: October 17, 2010, 05:48:32 PM »
I just had another thought.  If you had a round tub or pool, you could set up a plank over the middle of it (or your board, like in your pic), then do a 180 jump to change sides.  That way you could keep the water flowing in the same direction and would have a more realistic stroke.

No, wait, I just tried to visualize it and that does not work.  When you switch sides with the paddle, the water has to flow the opposite way- regardless of which way you are facing- I think- does that make sense?

Ok, here is another idea:  Two circular pools, one on either side of you.  You switch paddles and keep the water rotating in opposite directions in both pools- that could work.

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Downwind and Racing / Re: Off-Board Training - Swimming Pool?
« on: October 17, 2010, 05:28:53 PM »
Compared to blueplanetsurf's, mine's sort of embarrassing, but I think it will still come in handy in the bad weather.

The real workout comes in switching sides, because I have to drag the tub filled with water over to the other side of the board every ten or so strokes...

Classic, I love your setup -very creative.

Like others have said though, in a realistic stroke, the paddle should be planted in the water, not pulled through it.  So I guess you could use a round tub or small round pool and get a vortex current going, then jump from one side of the pool to the other side to switch sides and keep the water flowing. 

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Downwind and Racing / Re: Off-Board Training - Swimming Pool?
« on: October 17, 2010, 05:23:49 PM »
I just saw the reply about the chain drive rowing machine.  You could make it into a paddle trainer by attaching a longer rope to the chain and running it through an eyelet or rollers to keep the chain coming out ot the machine straight instead of diagonally.  I have not tried it but think it would work.

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Downwind and Racing / Re: Off-Board Training - Swimming Pool?
« on: October 17, 2010, 05:13:17 PM »
I built a paddle trainer that works surprisingly well, with a realistic catch and power phase.  I can get a great workout on it in less than 10 minutes.
Evan from standuppaddlesurf.net took some video of it, check it out at:
http://www.standuppaddlesurf.net/2010/09/29/stand-up-paddle-trainer-at-blue-planet-surf-2/

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Just got home from meeting with Rob at Blue Planet. He looked at the board and and I guess it was just a defect, apparently it didn't cure right or something, which is understandable, cause i've had that happen to me on a board, so i can only imagine that its bound to happen every know and then when that many boards are being put out. Rob switched my board out for a new one, so I am all good to go with a properly cured board. It is nice to know that people are willing to stand behind their products. Super thankful to Rob for taking care of me.

So I guess the conclusion to this thread should be that NO PSH Boardworks boards aren't weaker, and if for some reason you do encounter a defect, they will take care of it.

Thanks Josh,
We were able to dent the glass with thumb pressure which should not happen.  There was obviously something wrong with this board so we replaced it and will follow up with Boardworks and the manufacturer.

Generally we don't consider dings, dents and chips a warranty defect so I can't blame my employees for telling you that but apologize if you felt you were getting the run-around. 

I'm stoked that there were so many positive remarks- thank you for those. 

To clarify on construction:  Boardworks does manufacture boards at different factories and using different construction methods (including TEC, EPX, SDK).  I have been a Boardworks distributor for over 10 years, sold thousands of boards and have seen many warranty issues.  Nobody is perfect but Boardworks has always been good at taking care of the customer and perhaps more importantly fixing the problem at the source by making incremental improvements to the construction process.  As a result of these refinements, the TEC (thermal epoxy compression molded) construction is second to none.  Look for the TEC logo if you want top performance, durability, resale value, and fun in the water.  It won't be the cheapest board but it's worth it.

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I'm in Calgary, my daughter lives here.


I am in Edmonton - 2 hours north.

There was just a race in Calgary this past Sunday - on the Bow River.

Next time your in town - let me know - we'll go paddle - or SNowboard depending on the time of year.

I'm bummed I missed that race on Bow River and will take you up on the offer next time I'm in Alberta.  Look me up if you make it to Oahu.


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I'm in Calgary, my daughter lives here.

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Hi Josh,
This is Robert Stehlik, I'm the owner of Blue Planet Surf and the Boardworks distributor for Hawaii.  We fully stand behind the products we sell.  I'm writing this during my vacation in Canada because word of this blog has gotten to me.  I will be back at the store on Wednesday, as you know, and will make sure we can find an amicable solution to this issue.   If the board can really be dinged by finger pressure that would be a problem that I have not seen before and would certainly be a warranty issue, sounds like the epoxy resin might have not cured properly.   I heard from my employees that the board has several pressure dents and scratches on the bottom after one day of use.  Since the scratches mean that there was contact with something, I asked them  to wait for me to come back and have a look at the board before making a decision.  It would have been nice if you could have waited for me to have a look at the board before writing this.
Anyway, I will see you on Wednesday to resolve this issue.
Thank you,
Robert
 

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