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Foil SUP / Re: Longer Fuselage for Stability and Pump

« on: November 23, 2022, 09:49:31 PM »

So STANDARD is 'Easier'??

I probably should have said "More Forgiving".  I don't mean to say that you expend less watts, but more that it is more user-friendly.  You can recover from mistakes easier, which is what usually cuts my multi-wave attempts short.

Today I was on the 999, hoping it wouldn't break, on the 7' 4" L41.  Definitely slow and lethargic on the Ultra Short, with 4 ft @ 17 seconds.

Ideally the longer fuselage will get me more mileage off the back of a primary wave to jump to the next wave, and maybe the next.  I will say that I was able to hold it all together on steeper 6 to 8 foot faces, fly with the nose down as if the foil was NOT even there.  Then wait and transform into flight mode.

More to come. 

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Foil SUP / Re: Longer Fuselage for Stability and Pump

« on: November 22, 2022, 03:41:44 PM »

All that said, pumping with the standard fuse is easier and definitely has a lower cadence.  Also much less sensitive to mistakes (forgiving).  I think you're on the right track for big fast waves.

So STANDARD is 'Easier'??

Its also about matching the pump cadence to the harmonics of a longer board.  This may explain why I felt it more advantageous to just paddle vs. pump this past summer.  Because my 6' SUP monster didn't want to pump as fast as it needed to for the Ultra Short 644 mm and the 300P tail. 

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Prone Foiling, Surf foiling, Pump Foiling / Re: Swim Missiles

« on: November 22, 2022, 10:50:38 AM »

Sam is endlessly creative.

I have a standard red fuselage I'm not using. It would be easy for me to weld in an extension, though you'll want me to do it after I've been doing a bunch of aluminum fabrication--after every spell away from the shop, my aluminum welding deteriorates to the birdshit level. After a week of practice I'm pretty good for a hack. But before...

I am not in need of this but Sam might be interested.  The T-Tail looks like a RED fuselage.  I know that he said he was moving towards ART 999 and the like so he has migrated to the Black series (as shown in the first photos).  I ping you with his number if you don't have it. 

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Prone Foiling, Surf foiling, Pump Foiling / Re: Swim Missiles

« on: November 22, 2022, 10:21:02 AM »

We talked about ways to extend the fuselage in a more modular fashion.  Example use a hot-glue Kenalu shaft.   Put a male end on the fuselage and then add 4" or 6" or 8" midsections to extend the length, have the other male end with an Axis tail attachment. 

IF the tail is smaller, because you would not need as much leverage, the system would not have to be bombproof. 

He then sent me these pictures of another way to extend the tail.  A homemade G10 set up that he put together.  Pretty creative stuff from the guy who invented the first Tail Handle for SUP's and was the first to recommend a long front foot strap, to me, for big waves e.g. heavy front foot pressure for takeoff and then being able to slide the foot back for efficient glide.

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Prone Foiling, Surf foiling, Pump Foiling / Re: Swim Missiles

« on: November 22, 2022, 10:16:19 AM »

I made another post because I have a different application, and think that longer fuselages could help the rest of the SUP foil world, but Sam also shared this Dead-Sexy Mutant.

The idea was to raise the tail, to breach before the main wing, and keep flying rather than face-planting at high speeds - which apparently is horrible on a boogie foil rig.

Sam said this T-Tail configuration worked well on small waves but NOT on bigger waves (I assume bigger means 6 foot faces or more). 

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Prone Foiling, Surf foiling, Pump Foiling / Re: Swim Missiles

« on: November 22, 2022, 10:14:23 AM »

I wonder if a windsurf fuselage would work better for this. My thought is more pitch stable, so easier gliding. Anyway, worth remembering if pitch control is difficult.

I reached out to Sam Pae awhile back, asking about boogie foiling. He said it was the most difficult version of foiling. Sam would not be able to try a windsurf fuse because it would tear his legs up.

I just called Sam P'ae to ask about this.  He shared the following photographs. 

He said that the windsurf fuselage would move the front wing too far forward for his application.  He took a damaged standard fuselage and had someone weld an additional 4" section.  It took the standard 784mm / 31" fuselage to 35".  He has been playing with the Axis 999 lately and likes the 420 tail with flip tips.

He liked it but still wants more length.  He said that his system has worked on a Boogie Foil for waves up to 15 foot faces, but that it gets dicey at that size.

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Foil SUP / Re: Longer Fuselage for Stability and Pump

« on: November 22, 2022, 10:07:38 AM »

Here is a successful example of what I am trying to do.  Catch a fragging-big wave and IF I can't make the drop, kick off the back and go get the one behind it.  Here was a wave from last spring at Mavericks.  I was on the Axis 999 with 375P tail. 

I have been tweaking this L41 board, by giving myself more front foot range, to move my foot backwards, with a longer front strap.  This should enhance pump-ability.  AND If I can take off slightly earlier, or wider I may be able to access more big waves from the shoulder without risking death or destroying all my gear.  Possibly even with BIGGER foils like the Axis 1099 for earlier lift off.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWyzfz-1Bvk

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Foil SUP / Re: Longer Fuselage for Stability and Pump

« on: November 22, 2022, 09:45:21 AM »

My interest is NOT just stability but also maintaining pump.  This past summer I got better at pumping, doing doubles and triples on a 6' x 30" x 110 liter SUP Foil board. 

We have a local 'young guy', 34 years young Kyle who suggested that a longer fuselage would better match the cadence of a (his) bigger board.  He is a phenom having only been foiling for 15 months but fully mastered Prone, then SUP foil, Flat water pump ups, board building, Wing Foiling and is now dragging us all by the hair to go Downwinding with him in San Francisco Bay, or the Ocean from Half Moon Bay to the Ritz . . . 

He noticed this with his 6' downwind board.  When surfing it in faster, longer period swell the longer fuselage lets him GLIDE for a longer period when pumping out and approaching incoming swell.  His long fuselage is the "Short" = 703 mm / 27.6" vs. the Ultra Short = 644 mm / 25.3" fuselage.  In the Bay when downwinding the Ultra Short better matched the shorter period tight swell, even on the same board. 

I am leaning towards getting the Regular fuselage which is 784 mm / 31".  This would be for Bigger Waves on my 7' 4" x 31" L41 or the 7' 8" x 25 Clark board.  In a perfect world this lets me take off on big waves, glide really well AND when the wave starts to dissipate drop off the back and pump to the wave behind to continue the Insanity.  Axis 999 with 300P tail (or maybe smaller and smaller tail). 

To quote Kyle "On a big wave you're going too fast to turn you just want to blast away and keep it all together with a stable platform. . . . all these guys who are talking about shorter fuselages and turning are doing it on tiny boards in baby little waves." 

Thoughts ? 

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Foil SUP / Re: Longer Fuselage for Stability and Pump

« on: November 22, 2022, 09:38:58 AM »

I wonder if a windsurf fuselage would work better for this. My thought is more pitch stable, so easier gliding. Anyway, worth remembering if pitch control is difficult.

I reached out to Sam Pae awhile back, asking about boogie foiling. He said it was the most difficult version of foiling. Sam would not be able to try a windsurf fuse because it would tear his legs up.

Thank you DW! 

When I called Sam he said that the Windsurfing fuselage would move the wing forward which was NOT ideal.  SO he acquired a damaged Axis Regular Fuselage 31" and added 4" by having someone weld a mid-section to the fuselage.  AKA 787-10 Extended Length. 

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Foil SUP / Longer Fuselage for Stability and Pump

« on: November 22, 2022, 09:38:39 AM »

Contrary to the conventional “Go Shorter” on fuselage I am proposing To Go Longer.
 
My objective is to catch More Waves, Smaller Waves and Bigger Faster waves on a SUP Foil.  I have found that BIGGER boards can do all of this better than SMALLER boards.  The challenge with bigger boards is pump-ability.  So in an attempt to match the resonant frequency of Bigger SUP Foil Boards, meaning 5’ 6” – 6’ 0” board in small waves or 7’ – 7’ 6” boards in big waves, we might want to go back to longer fuselages.

I have been using the Crazy Short Axis 644 mm / 25.3 inch fuselage.

Prompted by a discussion on the Swim Missiles thread I called Sam P’ae and had a 45 minute conversation on the benefits of LONGER fuselages for stability and pitch control.  For me this would be most interesting in Big Wave scenarios – Thinking 10 foot faces with a standard Fuselage 784 mm / 31 inches long.
 
Ideally you can use a long fuselage with a LITTLE tiny tail.  Think Flying Wing with a Carbon Arrow for stability. 

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Random / Re: Professor of Happiness

« on: November 15, 2022, 05:53:13 PM »

I should probably watch that video every year.  I already almost forgot about his "Unbucket List"

I have been cleaning out the loft in my garage trying to turn my brain off when it says Oh this will come in handy some day for wood, camping gear, lights, rope, brackets, windsurfing skinny mast bases . . . .

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Random / Professor of Happiness

« on: November 15, 2022, 09:58:11 AM »

A great and data intensive analysis on Happiness from the "Harvard Business School Professor of Happiness."   

Good news for the older people out there.  Maybe everyone on this forum is 'older'.

In simple terms it may come down to whether

1) You are glass half full or glass half empty
2) You can transition from Field to Crystalline Intelligence

This is very good.  Enjoy!

--> https://www.alumni.hbs.edu/video.aspx?v=1_vb9bgtql

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Windsurfing 1986

« on: November 08, 2022, 01:13:19 PM »

I just looked Mark Angulo up on Facebook. 

It appears that he is into cats, astrophotography and pogo sticks.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Windsurfing 1986

« on: November 07, 2022, 03:59:46 PM »

I had to look up US-18:  Mark Angulo

In that video he was the only one that was keeping up with Robbie Naish.  Back in the day Mark Angulo was a big player at Hookipa.

His younger brother Josh seemed to take the ball and run with it later.  I am not sure what happened to Mark??

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Foil SUP / Re: Downwind Foil Videos

« on: November 05, 2022, 09:22:50 AM »

The closest SURF conditions to prepare for catching Extremely Pitchy short period Wind Chop was SUP Foiling the East Coast of the US this past summer.

Here was an example of the small conditions that I would surf every day in Rhode Island.  This was on a 6' x 30" x 110 Liter board with Axis 1099 and 300P tail on crazy short fuse. 

https://youtu.be/j0PQM_-8k8g

The good news is that these type of "BAD" conditions exist all over the world.  The forecast would ebb and flow from 0 - 1 foot and then 1 - 2 feet, maybe 3ft, and back again.  I was out ALONE almost every day catching tiny waves and having a blast.  AND it was perfect practice for downwind paddle and catch.

Then I upgraded to a larger Axis 1300 foil, got dragged to Coyote Point and Downwinding was Easy.