8'10 Sunova SPEEED

[TallDude]

I just looked at that Instagram photo of Blane Chambers again and that rail looks like he's doing something different than what he did with the Tom Carroll model. Anyone had a closer look at that rail? If so, what's going on with it? Based on the shading I see on the inside rail, it looks like the chine  is concaved??

Chined rails, hull nose and is the most unstable board I have ever stood on!

Yep, that's why nobody copied Blane.

But I'll bet lots of shapers copy his new design if it solves the stability issue.

Chined rails or hulls have been around a long time. The idea is as the board or boat reaches a certain planning speed, it lifts to the smaller, narrower surface. So when you stand in the lineup , the board is resting on a wider more stable platform. Once you get on a wave, it lifts and your planing on a narrower board. You can have multiple chines for higher speeds like boats do, but it would be a bitch to glass on a board! If a hull is just rounded, it's very hard to plane, and has no rail to control a turn with. By having the additional chine it gives you the effect of a rail to turn off. The chine up to the nose will help you paddle into a wave faster and straighter. There is something to the less foiled top chine line vs. the full foiled bottom chine. Very interesting. Fun stuff.

[SUP Sports ®]

I thought that we had the concept, and execution, of a reduced wetted surface area while planing by using bottom chines, traced back to George Greenough and Michael Cundith over 3 decades ago on that thread Beasho started on his Jeff Clark gun back in Nov., 2013...

http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=22596.0

Here's a link to a higher rez image from my 80's era Greenough sailboard with bottom chines shown below:

http://supsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/greenough_board_chines.jpg

[DavidJohn]

Beautiful board.. Love the 'claytons' fliers.

[Dwight (DW)]

I just looked at that Instagram photo of Blane Chambers again and that rail looks like he's doing something different than what he did with the Tom Carroll model. Anyone had a closer look at that rail? If so, what's going on with it? Based on the shading I see on the inside rail, it looks like the chine  is concaved??

Correct, it is different. It is not a bevel chine. It is concave, making it look just like a notched step rail typical of the S4 except it's on the bottom. Blane has posted way better photos. I just can't recall on which of his many Instagram accounts I saw it. I follow all his accounts.

I'm always looking for fun things to try. It looks worth a try.

[standuped]

It seems like it's a given that board will turn, drop and perform well.  What I want to see on the "full" review video are un-edited punches through whitewater.  White water porn is what I'm after.  It's what I'm callin' for.  I want some heroics damit. Some Kung-Fu, Chop-saki epicness.  Steely eyed mayhem I say!

[SUP Sports ®]

Regardless of whether it is called an "Edge bottom"..."Greenough bottom"...or, "Gizmo"...etc...GG and the guys at Wilderness Surfboards have been building and riding dual bottomed surfboards around here with thought towards both planing & non-planing...surfing/paddling scenarios for decades...and, have influenced/inspired many others to try various other iterations of bottom hydrodynamica...Bonzers...Spindrift...Byrning Spears...Hamish Graham...etc...

[supthecreek]

There are no chines on the Speeed.

[stoneaxe]

If anything it's the anti-chine. Almost as flat as it could be and the rails seemed hard for much of the board. So much so that they almost appear slightly concave. Where they aren't hard it's pretty thin. The tail slots I'd imagine are all about release and flow around the fins.

[ninja tuna]

Oh man Creek,

That thing looks good.  I guess the question I have for you is the glide.  I am assuming you will be in closer to the break now more towards the shortboarders.  Not a bad thing if you have the waves with the power.  I have been watching all the videos with the minions and the sunovo's and they are in really good waves.  Here in Florida we have some softness on my outside sandbars a lot of the time.  The couple extra inches on my Foote really helps with that.  It seems like your wave have some more juice up there so I can't wait to see your reports of ripping on that thing.

[supthecreek]

Ha ha... I just replied to your thread ;-)

Did you watch the short video at the top of this thread? You will see this low volume board (for my size) easily glide into tiny, non breaking waves.

[stoneaxe]

Creek is also the master of being in the right spot at the right time so he makes getting in look pretty easy on anything. If i want to up my wave count and quality I just get behind him in line....

[TallDude]

Creek is also the master of being in the right spot at the right time so he makes getting in look pretty easy on anything.

And that's not something you can teach. Knowing your break: how deep it is, how the frames shift with the tide, the direction of the swell, how fast it throws as the tide changes or at a particular frame spot, whats going to wall and whats going to almost wall (speeder!).
On my shorter board I have to sit inside because it's half sunk and has no glide. I can usually tell which of the people outside of me are not going to catch what they think they are going to catch. Those are the ones left for me:)
Creek,
That Sunova looks like a great board for your break. The straighter rails for glide and speed, the performer tail, constant rocker that apparently works with your slightly steeper break (at least from the pic's and videos I've seen), and my favorite... the thinned out nose.  Low volume, higher surface area. And of course, light bullet-proof construction!

[magentawave]

Although nothing like the severity of Blane Chambers chine, Bill Stewart's Hydro-Hull and Walden's Magic have had chined rails for a long time too.

Regardless of whether it is called an "Edge bottom"..."Greenough bottom"...or, "Gizmo"...etc...GG and the guys at Wilderness Surfboards have been building and riding dual bottomed surfboards around here with thought towards both planing & non-planing...surfing/paddling scenarios for decades...and, have influenced/inspired many others to try various other iterations of bottom hydrodynamica...Bonzers...Spindrift...Byrning Spears...Hamish Graham...etc...

[magentawave]

You're thinking of the S2 http://www.original-simsup.com/simsup-2/ and S3 http://www.original-simsup.com/simsup-3/ which is what Kirk McGinty calls the "K-rail" and others call an "S-rail." The S4 http://www.original-simsup.com/simsup-4/ has big meaty "normal" rails on the deck but with a huge chine on the bottom that's a dead ringer to what Blane Chambers did with the Tom Carroll design. I think you're right about the instagram photo because it does look like Blane Chambers added lots of concave to the big-ass chine that's on the Tom Carroll design. Jeff Clarks Riviera gun has concave in the chine but obviously Clarks chine is way more subtle than the S4 or the Tom Carroll design.

That massive boat hull like chine is a totally different approach to what Infinity and others are doing where the bottom and rails are exactly the same as high-performance shortboard surfboards.

I just looked at that Instagram photo of Blane Chambers again and that rail looks like he's doing something different than what he did with the Tom Carroll model. Anyone had a closer look at that rail? If so, what's going on with it? Based on the shading I see on the inside rail, it looks like the chine  is concaved??

Correct, it is different. It is not a bevel chine. It is concave, making it look just like a notched step rail typical of the S4 except it's on the bottom. Blane has posted way better photos. I just can't recall on which of his many Instagram accounts I saw it. I follow all his accounts.

I'm always looking for fun things to try. It looks worth a try.

[supthecreek]

This might be off topic, but here is a video of Bert Burger discussing the SPEEED.

Cheat.... you are right.... it's all explained in the vid.