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SUP indoor trainer
« on: December 09, 2022, 12:03:37 PM »
I saw this review of an indoor SUP trainer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRFmik3LP9Y&list=TLPQMDkxMjIwMjKhhr22kbvgaQ&index=3  it is in German, but you will get the idea. they are relatively pricy and seem to be available in Germany or Europe only.

Does anyone have something similar in the US? Does anyone have experience with that?

I'm an iSUP noob, so some balancing and muscle training over winter wouldn't be a bad idea. Google showed me some more or less complex machines. But i think the above simple board mechanism is better for actually training the the required muscles and balance.

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Re: SUP indoor trainer
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2022, 12:49:23 PM »
You can make this with 4-5" PVC pipe, skateboard grab tape for wrapping around pvc pipe, small sheet of plywood, a stick or boom handle, bungee cord and yoga mat or carpet floor. There is plenty of instruction online for it.

Im sure this will help with balance and engage your core muscles.

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Re: SUP indoor trainer
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2022, 01:33:31 PM »
You can make this with 4-5" PVC pipe, skateboard grab tape for wrapping around pvc pipe, small sheet of plywood, a stick or boom handle, bungee cord and yoga mat or carpet floor. There is plenty of instruction online for it.

Im sure this will help with balance and engage your core muscles.

Yup. I use the Blue Planet balance trainer to slow the progression of my shitty balance getting shittier. And unlike this device, the Blue Planet trainer includes a set of inserts to increase the difficulty. I've never progressed beyond level two, but at least I'm not sliding backward so fast. I think they still sell these. Yup, found it: https://www.blueplanetsurf.com/balance-surfer.html
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: SUP indoor trainer
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2022, 09:43:21 PM »
BluePlanet's:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY_GqRT3co0
Our family picked up a bosu ball and I found it very helpful for surfing.  Clayton Nienaber teaches about the importance of hand movement for surfing.  The Bosu ball is an excellent tool for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF06zfkOQis
I also found it really helpful on improving pop ups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4gT4BMrpuo
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Re: SUP indoor trainer
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2022, 08:07:11 AM »
Thanks for the replies. Yes, I considered building something like that with a round wood pole or similar. But sturdy PVC pipe should be rounder (wood never is perfect). but i also though I would have it laying around in a room that is like a rec-living room and didn't want it to look like I made it myself :-)

Does that Bosu ball also help for SUP, or more like surfing? I'm sorry, I don't surf, so I don't know if that is very similar stability methods required.

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Re: SUP indoor trainer
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2022, 08:17:43 AM »
I think I still have a couple of Bosu Balls around here someplace. They're certainly good for balance training and even better for compounding weight training by engaging core and leg muscles. But I think the Blue Planet and similar devices are better for foiling and surfing. The Bosu ball has kind of a slower, more damped response to muscle movement. I felt that it was actually giving me some bad habits by lagging behind in the corrections I made. I had to slow down my balance corrections to make the Bosu stable. You can see that in the video above. By comparison, the blue planet trainer is also not a good simulation of surfboard or foil response because it's too quick. I have to stay right on top of it in a way I never really have to in foil riding. But I think I'm better off training for faster response than slower. At any rate, I use the Blue planet trainer almost every day when I'm in Maui, which is where I have one, and the Bosu ball is gathering dust somewhere. I might even have given it way since I can't find it.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2022, 08:20:07 AM by PonoBill »
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: SUP indoor trainer
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2022, 08:40:28 AM »
i found soem cheaper balancing boards. Like this one for $25 https://www.amazon.com/Yes4All-Non-Slip-Physical-Rehabilitation-Exercise/dp/B07RWVVFS5/ref=sr_1_7?crid=1N0IWCLP2297L&keywords=balance+board&qid=1670776175&s=sporting-goods&sprefix=balance+board%2Csporting%2C116&sr=1-7. They also have 360 versions https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Wobble-Balance-Board-Black/dp/B07DWKNXNY/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1N0IWCLP2297L&keywords=balance+board&qid=1670776175&s=sporting-goods&sprefix=balance+board%2Csporting%2C116&sr=1-3

Some questions (also if I decide to DIY):
- Should the balancing board be as wide as my SUP? My iSUP are 30" and 34" and i likely will never get narrower. The above boards are 17" wide. On the one hand I think narrower is more difficult, on the other hand I might have to practice with what i actually use for SUP?
- would a 360 (wobbling sideways and forth/back) be useful or better than just a regular side-way type? An iSUP mainly moves sideways. But the ability to balance forth/back also could be good generally. i have some ideas how

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Re: SUP indoor trainer
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2022, 06:50:26 AM »
Some more thoughts: I think a balancing board with a separate roller would be better than the ones I linked above (the board basically having the rocking thing attached). With the separate roller, the board could slide side-ways, like a SUP. If the board and the rocker are one, this won't happen and will be easier than a SUP on the water.  Am I right with this thinking?

This board seems to have multiple options to attach the stops for different difficulties (look at the second picture for options). it also looks to have a ball to put into the center for 360 wobbling.  https://smile.amazon.com/Wooden-Balance-Board-Adjustable-Stoppers/dp/B0B427PQR5/ref=sr_1_9?crid=DFZ5RHF7I8D7&keywords=balance+board&qid=1670856173&sprefix=balance+board%2Caps%2C122&sr=8-9
« Last Edit: December 12, 2022, 06:52:35 AM by SUP-Lurker »

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Re: SUP indoor trainer
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2022, 08:36:55 PM »
I found the bosu ball to help with sup balance.  When you move your hands, head, elbows, hips while on the balance ball, it teaches you how shifting weight moves the pressure on your feet. 
You can increase the inflation to make it more tippy, or deflate for less.  When I am on a SUP in messy waters, I envision that I am standing on a turntable record and try to keep it level.
If you build a balance trainer, it only needs to be as wide as your normal stance.
Any of the products mentioned above would be good practice for balance, but lack the cardio exercise that SUP offers. 
Don't let winter keep you out of the water.  This post by Supthecreek helped keep me in the water year round:
https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,35530.msg409227.html#msg409227
Are you landlocked and that is why you are looking for a non water sup trainer?  If that is the case you may want to look into skateboards.  The carver skateboard is an excellent training tool for surfing waves when ridden at a skatepark. 
If you are not into waves a longboard would help with balance, & build leg & ankle strength.  An LDP takes it to the extreme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm1_DTNMKqo
If you want flat land exercise you could look into something like the Hamboard with a land paddle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX5TVuIV9oA
I made a land paddle with a wood dowel, with a lacrosse ball (pavement side) on one end and a tennis ball on the other (handle).
« Last Edit: December 13, 2022, 09:01:56 PM by sflinux »
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Re: SUP indoor trainer
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2022, 03:59:37 PM »
I actually ordered this board and will report back how it works  https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0B427PQR5?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details. It will be my X-mas present, so that will take a while to test.

We have winter here. But even in summer, I only get out maybe once a week. And I prefer not to fall too often since we have discussing plants and algae. And I envision I can use it when I work on my standing desk, or when I watch TV or so. Basically practice while doing something else. i started my iSUP career this year and 70% of the time I still use it as a kayak with a seat. So I'm still in the process to stand most the time and hope this board will help.

I have some cross skate things (that I try to sell) and I don't like those tiny wheeled things that can make me fall. I'm more a bicycle person when it comes to wheeled transportation. to me anything that is less stable than a bike, isn't good. I'm really clumsy and would hurt myself if I did any of the skateboard or roller skate activities. I haven't done any of these activities in my almost 50 years. And I don't want to start activities now that could hurt me. I already have tennis elbow these days, and weak wrists. And any injury will take away from recreational activities. So any more risky things are off the table for me.  Falling off an iSUP into the water is fine, falling on asphalt is not :-)

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Re: SUP indoor trainer
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2022, 04:59:50 PM »
I think I still have a couple of Bosu Balls around here someplace. They're certainly good for balance training and even better for compounding weight training by engaging core and leg muscles. But I think the Blue Planet and similar devices are better for foiling and surfing. The Bosu ball has kind of a slower, more damped response to muscle movement. I felt that it was actually giving me some bad habits by lagging behind in the corrections I made. I had to slow down my balance corrections to make the Bosu stable. You can see that in the video above. By comparison, the blue planet trainer is also not a good simulation of surfboard or foil response because it's too quick. I have to stay right on top of it in a way I never really have to in foil riding. But I think I'm better off training for faster response than slower. At any rate, I use the Blue planet trainer almost every day when I'm in Maui, which is where I have one, and the Bosu ball is gathering dust somewhere. I might even have given it way since I can't find it.
It's great to hear that you use your Balance Surfer almost daily Bill.  Train your balance!
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Re: SUP indoor trainer
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2022, 11:50:23 AM »
I tried out the board and it is really nice. It has magnetic clips to hold those plastic pieces that you change for the different settings. i was afraid it would just be a friction fit and could wear out. So that is a positive surprise. the surface you stand on is very high friction, almost like sand paper.

I just started with the widest stance and am still shaky. but this can be a really nice tool when using my standing desk etc.

So I'm happy about it and wouldn't have built something that nice DIY. 

 


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