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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2022, 03:17:07 PM »
from what ive read, the 999 isnt so great at TURNING on a wingtip.

I would strongly challenge that assessment.  With the right tail and the right tail tuning mine turns great.  I love surfing it.  I'm using the 350P with .5deg shim of increased tail downforce.

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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2022, 06:24:27 PM »


If anyone wants to save me 1/2 a session they can tell me how far to move my mast forward switching from the 999 to the 899.

Why would you think it needs moving if the fuse is the same?

I don’t move mine when fuse is the same.

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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2022, 08:31:16 AM »
First time out on the 799 today, 25 knots+, on my 5'3 34 litre sinker. Having spent a bit of time on the 899 I was worried that the 799 might be a bit of a novelty, just being a bit too high performance, too awkward to use, to be a genuine option for regular use, but none of it... It was sensational!

For a lightweight like me, it offers control, glide and manoeuvrability - all good things when the wind is howling. Stall speed was also a surprise - wasn't an issue, even through the heelside tacks. For sure it's higher speed than its bigger sisters, but because I could turn it more quickly and in more control, I was getting through the wind more quickly, so even if I did drop off foil, it was more of a touch and go, rather a drop and stop. Getting it up was also surprisingly straight forward, especially with that long narrow board shape.

Downwinding was yet another surprise. This was not on open ocean, so the bumps were small for the wind, having a short fetch. I expected the glide to be too short and pumping to be too limited, and yes the outright glide was less than the bigger ARTs, but the acceleration, speed and low drag helped offset that. I was able to pump between bumps but needed the wing to get through flat sections. I'm no expert, so a better technique would have been able to get more out of it, I'm sure.

The thing I am most stoked on is the control though. It just felt so comfortable. Will be interesting to see how it works in less wind, but when it's windy, this is an amazing addition to the quiver.
I'm 5'10", 66kg riding:
Swift Foil Boards custom 4'10 x 19.5" 35L
Gong Lethal 4'6 65L
Axis ART 799, 899, 1099, HPS 880 US & CS Adv fuse, 85cm mast
Gong Fluid L-S, XXL-S on 85cm and 65cm mast
Takuma RS 5.1, 4.3, 3.5

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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2022, 10:25:55 AM »
So guys I ride the 890/880/810. I was thinking about getting an 830 but was wondering about the 799? I'm guessing the 899 is too close to my 880?
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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2022, 10:38:06 AM »
from what ive read, the 999 isnt so great at TURNING on a wingtip.

I would strongly challenge that assessment.  With the right tail and the right tail tuning mine turns great.  I love surfing it.  I'm using the 350P with .5deg shim of increased tail downforce.

I have also been surprised at how well the 999 turns. It's not as swoopy as my 860, but I can turn it tightly both winging and foiling. I assume the washout gets the credit for that, and maybe the narrow profile helps. Whatever it is, it turns better than the 980 for me. And the 980 is fairly good at turning.

I'm still bugged by how much trouble I have tacking and jibing, but I have more success on the 999 than on any other wing. I'm blaming geezer balance and a stubborn insistence in my reptile brain for switching feet in the middle of either a tack or jibe. The 999 lets me coast long enough to get everything done and stays locked into a turn while I'm fiddling around with my feet.

Doing S-turns on the face of a wave with the wing flagged out, the 999 feels almost as swoopy as the 860.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2022, 10:45:12 AM by PonoBill »
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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2022, 07:42:07 AM »
Just tried the 799 with the 325P tail and 3m Slick.

Oh... my... word...

Insanely quick in every direction and insanely fun. Needs a lot of attention but rewards it by allowing you to carve as hard as you dare! It pumps too! It's so low drag that the glide is also 'insane' for it's size. Going to enjoy riding this setup!

Looking forward to trying it with the 899 and maybe the 999 too?
I'm 5'10", 66kg riding:
Swift Foil Boards custom 4'10 x 19.5" 35L
Gong Lethal 4'6 65L
Axis ART 799, 899, 1099, HPS 880 US & CS Adv fuse, 85cm mast
Gong Fluid L-S, XXL-S on 85cm and 65cm mast
Takuma RS 5.1, 4.3, 3.5

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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2022, 12:15:36 PM »
Solent, just waiting on those Gong wings to hit the classifieds. Haha.

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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2022, 03:35:46 PM »
I accidentally tried the 999 with a 340 tail. Sheesh, that was fun. So fast, and turned on a dime. Not quite as fast as the 400/60 but fast enough to give a pucker factor when I started a turn, but I came out of every turn grinning.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2022, 10:09:12 AM »
Old thread but I am curious what the 799 and 899 translate closest to?  Is the 899 most equivalent to the BSC 810/HPS 830 and 799 equivalent to the BSC 740/HPS 700?  Thanks
Me:  6'1" x 180
Board(S): Axis foils: HPS 980, BSC 740, 810, ART 899, 999
Jimmy Lewis Wing Board 4’10” x 23 x 71L
Rawson 7’8” x 26”
Jimmy Lewis Stun Gun 8'2" x 28.3/4 x 99L
Naish Hokua 8'5" x 28 x 115L

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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2022, 10:20:31 AM »
BSC has WAY more lift at slow speeds. ART has more glide and a higher top end maybe.

Not really that comparable.

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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2022, 11:16:38 AM »
Ok, likely not enough detail, I feel like the 999 is somewhat comparable to HPS 980.  I’ve ridden the BSC 810 winging in waves for the last year and it has a lot of lift.  I’ve feel the 810 lift is mitigated with a smaller tail, it is easier to control on bigger waves with higher speeds.  I have also ridden the BSC 740, but that is usually bigger waves and higher wind.  I am going to switch to the 799 or 899, trying to figure out what would be comparable crossover for winging waves similar to the 810, knowing the the lift is different.  It may be they are not comparable, although I will end up settling on one of the other for what I use daily.  I would like to gain insight without buying both the 799 and 899.  I will also see if I can borrow them.
Me:  6'1" x 180
Board(S): Axis foils: HPS 980, BSC 740, 810, ART 899, 999
Jimmy Lewis Wing Board 4’10” x 23 x 71L
Rawson 7’8” x 26”
Jimmy Lewis Stun Gun 8'2" x 28.3/4 x 99L
Naish Hokua 8'5" x 28 x 115L

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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2022, 05:11:41 PM »
BSC is more comparable to the PNG series. ART is more comparable to the HPS series. It seems like the HPS series might be the in between step you're looking for. Hard to say since everyone's preference is different. There are lots of AXIS demo's around though. If you're in Southern CA I can put you in touch with at least 2 of them.

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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2022, 06:06:02 PM »
@eeck62 - windsurf foiler here and I have both the 880 and 899. I use my 880 in all kinds of conditions but mostly in high winds and hip high swell. I feel these two foils can be used in similar conditions, however they are different because the 899 takes more effort to start and stalls easier. The 880 doesn’t quite have that magical glide that the 899 delivers but the 880 is no slouch when it comes to chasing bumps and if the winds or water gets changeable/unstable the 880 is definitely less temperamental. For that reason, the 880 is my go to.
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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2022, 09:37:33 AM »
Thank you Hdip and Deep Sea for your replies.  I took the 899 out last night.
I am 180 lbs, 71 liter board, 899 / 350 progressive tail.  It was 14 mph and I had my somewhat older 5.2 m Ensis, which seems to not give as much forward speed.

It was harder to get up on foil.  I went 200-300 feet to get out of the lighter wind closer to shore and got up.  Once up, the 899 is great.  It was fast and responsive with good glide.  I was happy with the turning, speed and glide in the waves.  It rolled from turn to turn much easier than the 999, as expected.  I didn’t feel like you lose much from the 999 and the turning is better.  It also made me think how the 799 would be doable.  It does have a lot of lift with speed.  Nothing that new here, just new to me.

I did keep the mast in the same position as I normally use for my 810 in lighter wind.  I thought leaving the ART wing forward to get more lift would help on liftoff, but it doesn't really seem to help getting off the water.  I feel getting off the water with ART foils seems to be mainly about getting to the speed where the foil starts lifting.  Once I was up, I was wishing I had the mast back a little as it had quite a bit of front foot pressure.

I also found going into the waves was harder to get liftoff versus going with the waves.  The little extra push from the waves made it much easier.

Those are my first ride thoughts, overall good experience.
Me:  6'1" x 180
Board(S): Axis foils: HPS 980, BSC 740, 810, ART 899, 999
Jimmy Lewis Wing Board 4’10” x 23 x 71L
Rawson 7’8” x 26”
Jimmy Lewis Stun Gun 8'2" x 28.3/4 x 99L
Naish Hokua 8'5" x 28 x 115L

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Re: The ART 899 and 799 thread
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2022, 12:39:14 AM »
Had a couple sessions on the 899 now and will answer the question I had about what the 899 might be comparable to? 

I have been riding the BSC 810 for the last year.  The 899 feels slightly bigger than the 810.  As mentioned it’s hard to compare directly, but I feel on the days I would take the 810 in the waves I would also use the 899.  It has way less drag and less lift on takeoff, but a lot of lift once going.  The speed and glide are addicting.  I do want to try the 799 now.  I also feel like my 5.2m is easier to handle.  When a gust hits, the foil easily speeds up.  I felt the gust a lot more on the 810 as it has more drag.

I am excited to get it out in the waves more.
Me:  6'1" x 180
Board(S): Axis foils: HPS 980, BSC 740, 810, ART 899, 999
Jimmy Lewis Wing Board 4’10” x 23 x 71L
Rawson 7’8” x 26”
Jimmy Lewis Stun Gun 8'2" x 28.3/4 x 99L
Naish Hokua 8'5" x 28 x 115L

 


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