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MikeLima

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1095 vs. 1099/999
« on: July 23, 2022, 04:55:28 AM »
Iíve been on takuma since my beginning, but recently ordered an axis 1150 for dock starting fun. So of course now Iím thinking about all the other axis options. But my desire for simplicity has me wondering if I can go all axis. I feel like most takuma foils can in theory be replaced with an axis foil, but Iím not sure about the 1095. Has anyone ridden both the 1095 and art wings?
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Re: 1095 vs. 1099/999
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2022, 09:51:29 PM »
Once I got my ART999, I ditched the 1095 and Takuma altogether.   With the right tail setup, the 999 and 1099 have made the Takuma gear obsolete - surfs just as well but with much better glide/pumping.  If you don't have a small and efficient tail, the 999 and 1099 aren't anything special at all.

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Re: 1095 vs. 1099/999
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2022, 02:23:33 AM »
I have all three.

I use the ARTs when I know there will be minimal turbulence in the water.  They surf well, turn up and down the wave face, have fantastic glide, and are really fast when pushed.  But when I am in bigger waves, and I have to traverse water with air entrained, or there is a crosscurrent running, the ARTs start acting errratically (for me - in Hawaiian waters; may not be what everyone/most are experiencing).

The conditions listed above are where the Kujiras really perform well.  I have the confidence to push them hard knowing I won't lose lift when I need it, and I can turn super hard in critical sections.

I love all of them (980/1095/1210/1440 and 899/999/1099) and am not planning on changing my quiver of foils anytime soon.  If you don't have to contend with white water - move over to the ARTs.

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Re: 1095 vs. 1099/999
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2022, 09:05:32 AM »
OK, now you have me wondering, what tail wings do you ride with 999 & 1099 to keep them special?

..... If you don't have a small and efficient tail, the 999 and 1099 aren't anything special at all.

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Re: 1095 vs. 1099/999
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2022, 03:45:11 AM »
OK, now you have me wondering, what tail wings do you ride with 999 & 1099 to keep them special?

..... If you don't have a small and efficient tail, the 999 and 1099 aren't anything special at all.

+1, and, Iím having a local machinist make an axis fuse with a takuma mast insert so I can use my no limits, but i was wondering Iíd if I should move the mast connection forward like in the new advance fuses. Sounds like I donít need to? And yes, i found going down on tail size was key for takuma as well.

Thanks yíall!
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Re: 1095 vs. 1099/999
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2022, 03:57:02 AM »
Also, I wonder if maybe the HPS foils might be more comparable to kujira? Maybe more versatile/tolerant of turbulence? How do they pump?
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Re: 1095 vs. 1099/999
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2022, 07:29:55 AM »
OK, now you have me wondering, what tail wings do you ride with 999 & 1099 to keep them special?

I've been winging the 999 with the 375p tail with good results and will be looking to try a 325p (or even 300p) to see how it affects turns and stability at speed.

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Re: 1095 vs. 1099/999
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2022, 08:22:19 AM »
Also, I wonder if maybe the HPS foils might be more comparable to kujira? Maybe more versatile/tolerant of turbulence? How do they pump?

Iíve never ridden a Kujira, but I can tell you the HPS is what I ride when the ARTís are not right for the conditions, like in turbulent waters. The HPS foils pump great.

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Re: 1095 vs. 1099/999
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2022, 09:00:49 AM »
OK, now you have me wondering, what tail wings do you ride with 999 & 1099 to keep them special?

..... If you don't have a small and efficient tail, the 999 and 1099 aren't anything special at all.

+1, and, Iím having a local machinist make an axis fuse with a takuma mast insert so I can use my no limits, but i was wondering Iíd if I should move the mast connection forward like in the new advance fuses. Sounds like I donít need to? And yes, i found going down on tail size was key for takuma as well.

Thanks yíall!

If youíre winging the standard AXIS fuse is fine. If youíre surfing waves the advanced AXIS fuse with the +40mm mast placement is preferred.

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Re: 1095 vs. 1099/999
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2022, 12:40:21 PM »
OK, now you have me wondering, what tail wings do you ride with 999 & 1099 to keep them special?

The axis progressive series is the way.  375 or smaller
I'm extremely happy with the KDMaui 12" tail on all the ART, which is very similar to the 300P (not sure if you can get a 300P, haven't seen it on the axis website)

It terms of the turbulence topic - I totally agree - the Kujira and especially the 1210 and 980 are in a class of their own handling turbulence and white water.   For that application they have the leg up on the ART for sure

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Re: 1095 vs. 1099/999
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2022, 03:24:19 PM »
Quote from: jondrums
The axis progressive series is the way.  375 or smaller
I'm extremely happy with the KDMaui 12" tail on all the ART, which is very similar to the 300P (not sure if you can get a 300P, haven't seen it on the axis website)
300P is available on axis website.  I havee been riding it for 2 weeks now.  Feels faster but less stability by definition.  Meaning twitchy and on fire. 
« Last Edit: July 25, 2022, 03:26:41 PM by Beasho »

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Re: 1095 vs. 1099/999
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2022, 01:28:58 AM »
OK, now you have me wondering, what tail wings do you ride with 999 & 1099 to keep them special?

I have all the ARTs and the 375, 350 and 325. A lot of possible combinations, especially including shimming so although I have my preferred combinations for now I might, find better.

I've been riding the 999 this week, with all three stabs. The 375 makes mellow turns that can be pushed harder if needed but not what I'd call loose, predictable, stable with the best glide. Good for trying out new transitions (I was working on behind the back tacks)

The 325 with a shim dramatically livens up the ride, loose (but not snappy, the 999 is just too wide) which means it's more intuitive through the carve as it responds quickly enough to input to allow small corrections on the fly so you can push a bit more. Still very good glide and I prefer the higher cadence for pumping vs the 375. Used this for some small bump downwinding.

The 350 (no shim) sits in the awkward middle ground for me. Not loose enough to allow that quick micro adjustment in the carve, but not predictable enough to just to relax into the arc.

I've thought about getting a 300 but I'm not sure what that will give me. The 325 +shim on the 799 is quick enough for me and I had to put the shim in to give me back some pitch stability at high speed. Similarly the 325 +shim on the 899 is my preferred daily ride - does everything really well. 1099 with the 375 is my light wind setup in 10 knots.

I'm a light weight, so take the above with that in mind!
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Re: 1095 vs. 1099/999
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2022, 12:01:28 PM »
I've been riding with no shim or a negative .5deg shim.  Just have to move the mast forward a bit, but the benefit is increased glide and front foot pressure doesn't increase as you speed up.     Low speed lift is harder to achieve somehow - not sure how to describe it.  But with a shim on the tail, the wings power through high angle of attack and low speed without stalling.  With a neutral or negative shim on the tail I find the wing will stall out and crash down at a certain low speed.

The 12" KD (300P equivalent) has been awesome.  Really made the 1099 come alive for me versus the 350.  If you get the chance to borrow a 300P, I bet you'll like it.  Enough to warrant upgrading from the 325?  Hard to say.

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Re: 1095 vs. 1099/999
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2022, 02:00:29 PM »
That's interesting, and I take your comments on board. I have used the 325 with the 1099 quite a bit, but not sure if that's my preferred setup now. Given it's my light wind choice, I think the 375 works better for that, with better low end, and the extra stability being helpful to keep everything smooth and flowing when really marginal on foil. If I'm after better turning then the 999 is better suited.

I guess ultimately all we're saying is that we have options to tune our gear to meet out preferences. Just need to keep an open mind on what those options are and which might work best for the conditions of the day. It's really fun experimenting to see how it works! I know I'm still exploring my gear.
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Swift Foil Boards custom 4'10 x 19.5" 35L
Gong Lethal 4'6 65L
Axis ART 799, 899, 999,1099, US & CS Adv fuse, 85cm mast
Gong Fluid L-S, XXL-S on 85cm and 65cm mast
Takuma RS 5.1, 4.3, 3.5
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