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ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« on: November 04, 2021, 06:46:55 AM »
I have several sessions on the ART 999 but as Jeff Clark says “You will know immediately.”

I have been a GoFoil guy since day #1.  Started in Spring 2017.  The only foils available were GoFoil Kai, Naish and some Kitefoils that didn’t work in the waves. 

I bought the Axis 999, rather the whole kit, to serve as a Wing-Ding foil only.  I can report that this is a fantastic BIG WAVE Foil

I have had the foil out in 5 to 7 foot waves on my 6 foot SUP, then recently out in 8 ft @ 14 seconds on my 7’ 4” Big-Wave SUP foil board.  Legit 10 to 12 foot faces on the inside of Mavericks.
 
The foil catches waves almost as well as my GL210, which I can pump up on a 3 foot wave, but is fast and STAYS Down as well as my GoFoil GL130.  It catches small waves better than the NL190 and is Faster.
 
BUT – The pumping is clearly better than any of them.  This foil makes big wave SUP’ing feel similar to Prone Foiling – Catch the Chip and go hunt for waves.  I only had 45 minutes before sunset.  I got this crumbling beast that turned into a clean 12 footer and then flew through blackhand reef, into the open ocean to the pinnacles.  Dodging rocks along the way.  688 yards! in my backyard.   
« Last Edit: November 04, 2021, 07:31:24 AM by Beasho »

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Re: ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2021, 06:49:20 AM »
I have not had this foil out in clean conditions.  I went out in South winds, 8-10 mph, which typically TRASHES the inner lagoon.  It was a weekend and so bad that NO ONE was out other than me.  5 to 7 feet. 

I typically refer to these as "skills sessions."  Just go out, get a workout and improve the skills being able to stand and maybe catch a wave or 2.  I was on my 6 ft X 28" Jeff Clark board. 

Then I started to carve these lines.  If you are used to looking at tracks THESE are more indicative of what a Clean 4 ft @ 15 second South Swell would produce.  Nice Turns and GREAT Carry all the way to the beach.  BUT this was in TOTAL CRAP.  Buoys 7 ft @ 12 seconds. 

I was up and able to point higher down the line without worrying about losing the wave because of weak energy or falling off the back of the wave.  Then I was able to turn back deeper (to the North) on the inside because I had the confidence I could then cutback and speed down the line.

Thank You DW for pushing me over the edge to buy this foil.  IT IS ~ 15% better than other foils BUT THAT CAN BE EVERYTHING.  And I feel as excited about getting on this foil as when foiling was new.  All Over Again.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2021, 06:59:21 AM by Beasho »

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Re: ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2021, 07:08:27 AM »
I started this new thread so this message would not get lost in the 10K's of other views on the ART 999 thread.

I have realized my USE Case may be extremely limited.  No one comes out to Mavericks and tries to foil under their own power.  I have been to the North Shore of Oahu, Fiji, Eastern Connecticut . .  and have always dreamed about the getting the CHIP into a 20+ foot wave and then flying free.  BUT the combination of wave speed, the drop, board speed and the horrific nature of failure limits the appetite.

The GoFoil Kai foil was good on 8 - 12 foot waves but wouldn't carry.  The IWA would carry once flying but had a LOT of lift.  The GL210 would get up early and was FASTER than the IWA and would keep up with long period swell (better).  The NL 190 would STAY Down on takeoff and was faster still.  Then the GL140 was fast and would Carry.  Finally the NL130 was ripping fast but required a real kick to get going.

The ART999 gets up early which can be key to getting safely to the shoulder.  The ART999 stays DOWN.  The NL190 was the first foil I flew that didn't PUNCH on takeoff on a big wave.  You could consciously take your time and think "Ok let's fly now."  The ART999 takes 2 conscious thoughts to make it fly.  I have only had one week on this foil but I am thinking I can take off much steeper, and deeper than normal.  Treat the takeoff like a normal SUP takeoff.  Then fly when ready to fly. 

PS: I am using a TUTTLE box.  I use footstraps on all my boards.  The Axis999 setup was 100% consistent with my GoFoil lift profiles.  NO need to adjust any footstrap positions. No shimming, no whining.  It just worked right out of the box. 

PSS: More to come from cleaner, smaller conditions.  People say the high aspect foils don't turn . . . . give it time.  We'll figure it out. 
« Last Edit: November 04, 2021, 07:34:32 AM by Beasho »

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Re: ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2021, 07:13:19 AM »
Now if I could talk you into getting the Progressive 375 tail, your head will explode.  ;D

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Re: ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2021, 05:07:22 PM »
Thanks for posting your experiences, Beasho and DW!  I have been thinking about getting an ART (either 999 or 888 when it comes out) along with Progressive 375 tail for SUP Foil.  Pretty much use the NL160 with 13.5" KD Maui tail exclusively but wish I had something with better pump. Also may pick up a GT or RS at some point.

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Re: ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2021, 05:11:59 PM »
Thanks for posting your experiences, Beasho and DW!  I have been thinking about getting an ART (either 999 or 888 when it comes out) along with Progressive 375 tail for SUP Foil.  Pretty much use the NL160 with 13.5" KD Maui tail exclusively but wish I had something with better pump. Also may pick up a GT or RS at some point.

It would be great to read a review from someone who owns both ART999 and RS1000
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Re: ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2021, 11:46:02 PM »
Beasho - the 999 can turn just fine - you just need the right tail at the right shim angle.  I'm tuning in the progressive 350 right now and it goes super well with a 1deg shim under the back screw.  It turned like a dog without the shim, but with it is totally money. 

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Re: ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2021, 09:00:41 PM »
Thanks for posting your experiences, Beasho and DW!  I have been thinking about getting an ART (either 999 or 888 when it comes out) along with Progressive 375 tail for SUP Foil.  Pretty much use the NL160 with 13.5" KD Maui tail exclusively but wish I had something with better pump. Also may pick up a GT or RS at some point.

Me too! NL 160 rider with 13.5" KD, and also wanting more pump.  I am only a half dozen sessions in with KD, just started using shims, 0.5, and first today with 1....was a bit of a wow.  If you haven't tried yet, give it a go.

And not be a hijacker, back to OP....I sure would like to try the 999, though to be honest, a little scared about what happens if it's as good as you all say.  I like being married, prefer to stay that way ;-)

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Re: ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2021, 08:56:41 AM »

Me too! NL 160 rider with 13.5" KD, and also wanting more pump.  I am only a half dozen sessions in with KD, just started using shims, 0.5, and first today with 1....was a bit of a wow.  If you haven't tried yet, give it a go.

And not be a hijacker, back to OP....I sure would like to try the 999, though to be honest, a little scared about what happens if it's as good as you all say.  I like being married, prefer to stay that way ;-)

It's a great combination!  Interestingly, we had some big waves last week and I decided to try to throw the 13.5 on the long pedestal thinking there was going to be a lot of energy.   Paddled into 4 waves and had no lift!  I guess the longer pedestal required me to shim the tail differently or use a bigger tail.  Also the waves didn't have the energy we thought it would.  Are you powering or depowering your tail with the shim?  KDMaui told me that most people like a 1-1.5 shim under the rear to depower the tail with the short pedestal.  When I compared it, with the 1.5 it has almost the same angle as the 14.5 GF tail.

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Re: ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2021, 10:36:19 PM »
A few more sessions on the ART 999.

Here is a the Headcam on a 10 - 12 foot takeoff. 

This FOIL stays DOWN.  However I have been using 1 degree of shim.  A touch more lift.  Otherwise it stays down too much and sags vs. pumps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I833faO-3qU

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Re: ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2021, 10:51:15 PM »
Then there was this wave.

I was out in the morning.  I thought I might have brought out TOO big a board but it was feathering on the outside.

I credit Sam P'ae with this move:  Dropping down the face and it gets too ugly then run off the back of the wave and watch the face until things settle down then jump back over the spine of the wave into the trough again.  This started out as a mellow 12 ft wave but turned into a NASTY 15 foot pit.   

Buoys were 6 ft @ 12 seconds but delivering the goods on the inside of Mavericks. 

Once again the ART 999 delivers the speed, carry and stability to handle big waves.  I have had this out in 4 to 6 foot faces, 5 to 7 feet, 8 to 10, 10 to 12 and then these faces.  The foil lets you get up and then go hunting. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXN9ANfE7MA
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Re: ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2021, 03:57:40 AM »
However I have been using 1 degree of shim.  A touch more lift.  Otherwise it stays down too much and sags vs. pumps.


I also used the shim with the 420. (I think that is the tail you got).

The Progressives don’t need the shim.

Awesome it works at Mavericks.

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Re: ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2021, 07:26:00 AM »
Yeah!  So glad to hear this!  You'll flip when you go with the Progressive tails.  I've been using the 400P and the performance is so much better.  The speed and glide of the whole system is beyond belief. 

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Re: ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2021, 09:34:17 AM »
Yeah!  So glad to hear this!  You'll flip when you go with the Progressive tails.  I've been using the 400P and the performance is so much better.  The speed and glide of the whole system is beyond belief.

Wow!  It gets better!  400P?  375P?  So many options. 

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Re: ART999 vs GoFoil NL190 - SUP Foil Only
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2021, 02:17:39 PM »

Wow!  It gets better!  400P?  375P?  So many options.

FWIW, in the Axis FB Group, Adrian Roper said 375P is best with 999.

 


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