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ninja tuna

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light wind wing foiling
« on: September 28, 2021, 10:02:15 AM »
These wings look like they could really add some days to everyone's riding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Nu0s8pf6k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfZgf9zY404

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Re: light wind wing foiling
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2021, 10:25:52 AM »
My question about light wind foiling:  over what range does additional board length and/or width matter to develop board speed to take off?  Would a 6'6" board that is 32 inches wide significantly extend light wind takeoff?  At what point does the additional weight overcome length and width?  I love my SUP Surf Machines 4'11" wide and its low wind takeoff is pretty darn good, but I would definitely consider a specialist light wind board if it added a couple of mph to the low end.  Looking forward to anyone's opinions and experience on this.

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Re: light wind wing foiling
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2021, 06:49:17 PM »
You need a board you can stand on comfortably without wind. Simple as that. If you can stand on your 4'11" with no wind then you're good to go. Even a moose like me doesn't need a 6'6" X 32". I can get away with my 5'11" X 30" in light wind as long as there is enough for me to get some leverage to stand (bad knees). Once I'm up. I just need a gust. With a 7m Duotone Echo and an Axis 1150 I got up and had a good session in what iWindsurf said was 7 gusting to 12. I think it was actually a bit more than that. Not exactly exciting, and I had to spinnaker back on my knees when it died a little more, but at least I got wet.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: light wind wing foiling
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2021, 05:34:34 AM »
https://youtu.be/mxlKROn0cGI
As on light wind winging seems to be on trend...

Might be worth looking at the wing and/or board for the ultimate set up... Or (controversially) some electric power!?!
I'm 5'10", 65kg riding:
Gong Lethal 4'6 65L
Gong Catch 5'3 34L
Gong Hipe v2 4'11 70L
Axis ART 999
Gong Fluid L-S, XXL-S on 85cm mast
Duotone Slick 3m, 4m, 5m

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Re: light wind wing foiling
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2021, 06:44:30 AM »
Thanks for the replies -- interesting video from Dominic Hoskyns as usual.   My current board is about +15, and I'm still trying to figure out whether length and/or width increases matter.  Dominic opines that +10 or +15 is good enough, but his test was on  longer +30 board. I think a big (wind)wing is def in my future, and the foil matters of course - so I think I'll wait till I have a big wing and then see how much that helps with my current board.

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Re: light wind wing foiling
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2021, 07:44:33 AM »
Look at windsurf racing. A far more mature sport. The widest board wins. So much so, they had to make rules limiting width. With fast foils, we are now a planing first sport, like windsurfing.

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Re: light wind wing foiling
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2021, 07:49:34 AM »
So since I already have one of your Rocket Wide boards, Dwight, I will be awaiting the introduction of the Sup Surf Machines "Wider-Than-You-Can-Possibly-Imagine" board line.

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Re: light wind wing foiling
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2021, 08:38:48 AM »
I'm a fan of short-wide. I fundamentally have to be. 220 pounds + geezer balance + a strong desire to be able to turn without swinging a long nose around = short-wide. Currently, that formula applies sort of to my venerable Flying dutchman. I don't remember the length--somewhere around 6', but it's 32 wide. My new board which is sitting in Mark Raaphorst's shop waiting for me to get to Maui and add some cork hexatraction is 5'11" X 31" X something giving me about 125L. The top is black (dusty in the pic) and I asked Mark to leave it peel-ply textured so the cork hexagons will stick like crazy. 3M VHT actually sticks best to glossy smooth surfaces but I discovered that isn't true for more flexible base material, like deck pads. I plan to dye some of the hexagons black, just for the hell of it, and I'm using the weird top picture with the rulers laid on to design the pattern. Flat bottom, square tail. It's going to be fun.





I think the CWC design makes for a ridiculously light 8M wing. There was one at the AWSI, but I didn't get a chance to try it, or even lift it. I did lift the 7M F-One CWC and it felt as light as the 6M. Looking at the design it's easy to see why. They didn't add a lot of width to get to 8M, so not a lot more leading edge and bladder. They didn't even add a lot more length to the center strut. I didn't measure anything, but my impression is it's a little wider, a little longer, and the added struts are a little longer, so it's mostly just taking full advantage of the geometry to add more canopy and still have a reasonable trailing edge, basically having three parameters to vary instead of two. The net result looks big enough to live under, but it's not super wide or long.

Duotone's 7M echo is also reasonably light, especially if you upgrade the aluminum mast to carbon. But with no center strut to keep it floating it's a bit of a bitch to handle when you're down in the water or first getting it flying from a waterstart.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: light wind wing foiling
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2021, 09:13:08 AM »
That board looks exactly like what I've been wondering about -- hope it rides as good as it looks

 


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