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Re: The ART 999 Thread
« Reply #120 on: October 29, 2021, 10:45:58 AM »
I'm fingering the buy button on the 350 progressive tail for the 999 on my short fuse
Currently riding the Kane 13.5" tail and it seems like plenty of tail for pumping

Seems like a lot of people talking about the 400 progressive - what's to do?

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Re: The ART 999 Thread
« Reply #121 on: October 29, 2021, 01:46:44 PM »
I'm fingering the buy button on the 350 progressive tail for the 999 on my short fuse
Currently riding the Kane 13.5" tail and it seems like plenty of tail for pumping

Seems like a lot of people talking about the 400 progressive - what's to do?

My buddy Ryan winged with Jackyís 350 today and his 810.  His normal tail is the 13.5 Kane. I also have that Kane tail. Ryan loved the 350. Heís ordering one. My feeling is the roll rate of the Progressive 375 is similar to the Kane, with more speed than the Kane, plus snappier response. You feel the difference carbon makes over G-10. G-10 is a dampened response.

Adrian recommended the 375 with the 999 on Facebook. I agree after trying the 375.

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Re: The ART 999 Thread
« Reply #122 on: October 29, 2021, 03:59:24 PM »
nice, thank you so much.  I like smaller tails on longer fuse so that reaffirms my desire for the 350 on the "short" fuse. (I assume you like the 375 on the ultra-short).

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Re: The ART 999 Thread
« Reply #123 on: October 29, 2021, 04:32:52 PM »
nice, thank you so much.  I like smaller tails on longer fuse so that reaffirms my desire for the 350 on the "short" fuse. (I assume you like the 375 on the ultra-short).

Iím on the short fuse.

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Re: The ART 999 Thread
« Reply #124 on: October 30, 2021, 06:46:33 PM »
OK so the 999 foil is blowing my mind .
I canít believe how low the low end is,  and I have it back in the box at number 3 on my Armstrong FG board.  Getting up on foil even in 15 mph wind is much easier than I anticipated even at 100kg.
I tried the 390 tail which was fun but  felt restrictive . Then I tried the 420 and 460 which are super fast but not as forgiving. Then Dwight let me try his 400 progressive , wow the best of everything, definitely ordering one. Cruising through gybes with ease and no over foiling. Definitely going to be a go to setup, canít wait to get it in the waves.

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« Reply #125 on: November 02, 2021, 07:24:33 AM »
Just could not decide between the 400P or the 375P.  I ordered the 400P and just figured I could chop it, if and when I felt the need. I hoping it will improve both the HPS1050 and the ART999.  Time to start converting some of my foils to this new rig so I can make some honest comparisons.

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Re: The ART 999 Thread
« Reply #126 on: November 02, 2021, 09:13:03 AM »
Just could not decide between the 400P or the 375P.  I ordered the 400P and just figured I could chop it, if and when I felt the need. I hoping it will improve both the HPS1050 and the ART999.  Time to start converting some of my foils to this new rig so I can make some honest comparisons.

Heard Kane loved the 400P with the 999.

Donít chop it. It wonít jibe the same.

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Re: The ART 999 Thread
« Reply #127 on: November 02, 2021, 09:15:15 AM »
Dwight- 245 lbs riding the 999 with the 420 currently. 425 progressive tail for me?

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Re: The ART 999 Thread
« Reply #128 on: November 02, 2021, 09:57:59 AM »
Dwight- 245 lbs riding the 999 with the 420 currently. 425 progressive tail for me?

Sounds right to me. Hard to know for sure when I donít weigh the same.

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Re: The ART 999 Thread
« Reply #129 on: November 03, 2021, 10:07:03 AM »
I talked with Kane briefly when I was sup foiling at Kahalui Harbor (or I should say "attempting to sup foil". Focusing exclusively on wingfoiling has completely screwed my SUP foiling). He was prone foiling with his usual consummate skill. Made me feel 500 years old and weak as a kitten. He had a prototype tail that looked very interesting--low aspect and an extended chord. It hummed like crazy, but it looked like it turned on a dime. 
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Re: The ART 999 Thread
« Reply #130 on: November 03, 2021, 07:48:59 PM »
The 350 progressive showed up last night

So of course I immediately screwed it on and went out on a perfect head high morning with a long paddle out to the reef.  I knew I would be sorry I changed out tails on a day with great waves and no easy way to go back and forth for shims. 

I'll say this - it does NOT have nearly enough downforce to make the 999 ride well out of the box.  Doesn't want to rise up and then doesn't turn right. It'll need some shimming.  But the size looks perfect - I was really enjoying the KDMaui 13.5" and its just about the same size, so I guess when I get the angle dialed in it will be sweet.

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Re: The ART 999 Thread
« Reply #131 on: November 03, 2021, 11:18:58 PM »
The wind finally showed up in Maui, so I had a day that didn't include being embarrassed at how far my surf foiling has degenerated. I started out on my 980/390 because given my horrific performance surf foiling lately, I thought I might have completely forgotten how to foil. That worked OK, so I came in to take off my foot strap (poorly located) and switch to the 999/390. Ooooh. Like butter.

The wind kind of sucked, it had a lot of north in it, but when it would pivot to the east it blew a lot harder, then it swung north again. Irritating, but I had fun with my 6M cwc. Mark Raaphorst showed up with an ocean rodeo alula wing that got my little heart beating pitter-pat. Holy shit, I want one of those. It was a 4m, and when I looked out at the crowd as I was putting my gear away everyone was down slogging in the water--except Mark, who was having a blast.
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Re: The ART 999 Thread
« Reply #132 on: November 04, 2021, 03:01:04 AM »
I was really enjoying the KDMaui 13.5" and its just about the same size, so I guess when I get the angle dialed in it will be sweet.

The Progressives are the thinnest and lowest volume tails you can probably buy right now. Hard to compare to anything else. My calipers found it to be quite a bit thinner than my KDMaui tail.

Probably the 375 would be a better low end match.

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Re: The ART 999 Thread
« Reply #133 on: November 05, 2021, 11:47:24 PM »
350 progressive with 1deg shim (under the rear screw) works perfectly.  I'll mess around with +.5 and +1.5 just to see, but I got the feel I wanted with +1 for sure.

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Re: The ART 999 Thread
« Reply #134 on: November 06, 2021, 06:59:47 AM »
I was really enjoying the KDMaui 13.5" and its just about the same size, so I guess when I get the angle dialed in it will be sweet.

The Progressives are the thinnest and lowest volume tails you can probably buy right now. Hard to compare to anything else. My calipers found it to be quite a bit thinner than my KDMaui tail.

I haven't put a caliper on it but my 380 appears to be thinner and lower volume than my 375. I have had 2 sessions on the 375 now with crazyshort and 999. My first thought is that the 375 is a touch more drag than the 380. It does want to roll into turns more easily. I'm not sure if I like this aspect or not, at least with this setup. I am interested in trying it with the 890. It seems like it will pair better with the 890 than the 999. Pitch control was a little more squirrely than with the 380. My two sessions have been in shitty winter wind so, this probably plays a role in my opinion. I am going to try the +1 shim like Jondrums says. The whole kit needs a solid gust to get going when I know I would have been up a lot more on the 1050. It does carve quite dreamily once up. It will be super fun in the surf. These are just first, early impressions. I will report back after more.

Probably the 375 would be a better low end match.

 


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