The ART 999 Thread

[VB_Foil]

Haha thank you for the clarification Bill.  I was more referring to a simple paper airplane for illustrational purposes.

[Badger]

Maybe someday we will see computerized ailerons on smart foils with artificial intelligence.

[Velasco]

Anybody wing with the 799 or 899 yet?

I'm trying to figure out what the low ends of these two wings are (as my flat water spot has a 100 yard stretch before the windline - if I don't have to schlogg the whole time it would help preserve what little sanity I have left).

I think I've topped out the 999 at around 23mph.  I want to go faster and one of these two are in my near term future...

I'm also wondering if they turn/roll easier (but the 999 is already a great turning foil for me - so much so that I am thinking about selling my Takuma Kujiras...).

Sorry - I just saw the 799/899 specific thread -

[Velasco]

I got a chance to answer my own question today.  My dealer let me try out a 799 and an 899 so I could figure out which one would produce the results I am looking for (high wind, faster, tighter turning version of the 999).

I weigh 185#.  I had a Reedin SW X 4.2 up in 20 gusting to 30 winds.

In the gusts I could get the 799 on foil and I would try and open it up - but my spot has some holes where the wind gets light and the combo of holes, smaller foil and smaller wing made riding to find the top end of this wing challenging.

After an hour I switched the front foils out and had the 899 out in nearly the same conditions with the same wing and rear stabilizer.  The 899 is definitely more user friendly - almost as easy as the 999 - and I am probably stating the obvious but with the shorter span and narrower chord this foil rolls easier, surfs better and is faster.  It doesn't loose much of the low end and still comes down easy as you reach the stall speed (instead of crashing instantaneously like some other high aspect foils).

I'm going to put more time in on the 899, but I can tell this will compliment the 999 (which has much better glide, while still surfing well and is plenty fast).

I don't think the 799 would be practical for someone my weight - if I am out in 30+mph winds I'll likely put up my 3.6, so if I had intended on using the 799, I'd still be looking for the stronger gusts to take it up a level.  Definitely worth a shot if you are lighter looking for a heavy wind option.

[Califoilia]

I don't think the 799 would be practical for someone my weight - if I am out in 30+mph winds I'll likely put up my 3.6, so if I had intended on using the 799, I'd still be looking for the stronger gusts to take it up a level.  Definitely worth a shot if you are lighter looking for a heavy wind option.

Just for a frame of reference of the two wings suping and not winging....

Took the 799 out on a fairly small day (knee to thigh high at best and mushy), and was able to get it up and out of the water surprisingly fast and easy, but at my 180# it was difficult to keep it in the air, and took a lot of pumping even down the line just to keep it aloft...which turned into mostly an exercise in futility.

Went in and threw the 899 on with the same 375P tail, and that was a whole different ball game. Still popped up easily, but was able to actually foil it with ease, and had a lot of fun on it.

Like you, I think the 799 will be fun in bigger/better conditions, but exactly what those will actually be still remain to be seen...we've had some really small days for the past month or more it seems, with not much surf on the horizon. 

[Beasho]

Took the 799 out on a fairly small day (knee to thigh high at best and mushy), and was able to get it up and out of the water surprisingly fast and easy, but at my 180# it was difficult to keep it in the air, and took a lot of pumping even down the line just to keep it aloft...which turned into mostly an exercise in futility. . .

This is encouraging and totally surprising because I would assume the 799 would be too small.  I only have the Axis 999. I weigh 190#.  I have found that with a 6' board and 375P tail +1 degree I CAN take off in small 2 foot waves but immediately have to turn down the line.  Pumping works but you have to stay UP to speed.

With a 7' 4" board and NO shim the 999 allows for "Easy Peasy" takeoffs in 10 to 15 foot mushy waves.  It gets up SLOWLY and then you can just go hunting.  Really versatile.  I am intrigued by the 899 but again I am surprised the 799 flew that well. 

My data suggests that the comfortable FLIGHT speed on SUP Foil for the Axis 999 is 16 mph (w-375P no shim).  This is actually REALLY fast for cruise speed.  My other foils (GoFoil GL210 and NL190) cruise slightly slower say 13 and 14 mph respectively.  BUT what that additional 2 mph means is that I can catch UP to waves when they pass from shallow water back INTO deeper water.  With the GoFoils the waves would outrun me.  No longer with the Axis 999.  2 mph matters a HUGE amount.