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Noo Noo

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Re: Does such a board exist?
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2021, 10:43:22 AM »
Let's say you were in akushaper and you wanted to shrink the length of your 11'6" x 29" and maintain stability, the board would naturally get wider.  I agree with Supthecreek, something in the 9'5" range will give you glide, and around 32" in width will give you stability.  To add to that if you widen the tail like a simsup, you can shorten the length.  Typically a 8' simsup feels like a 9' traditional board in terms of glide.  The wide tail accelerates quickly, which helps for weak small surf.  The lower the tail rocker, the faster it will accelerate.  Boards like this pack a lot of surface area under the back foot so when the wave pushes the board, and you push with your back foot, the boards tend to accelerate into the wave.  I haven't tried the Hypernut but the 7'10" x 31.5" 130L design looks like it might suit.
One thing I've noticed is that as it gets windy, any part of your board sticking out of the water acts like a wing.  For that reason, I typically prefer a shorter board when it gets choppy or windy.  Too much volume and the board sits further out of the water, exposed to wind, and the forces of it.  A wider board will be easier on the knees. 
I learned on 11' x 29" boards like you (guild factor 1.69), but progressed the fastest on a 9'4" x 33" (guild factor 1.54) [btw 130L gives you a guild factor of 1.5].  I would guess the volume of a 11'6" x 29" x 4" Hyper Nalu is around 143L (guild factor 1.68).  You didn't mention your height, but typically the taller rider will appreciate additional width to have the same leverage as a shorter rider.
But really the best craft for the waves you are talking about is a foil if the water is deep enough.  Add a wing when there is a breeze and you will probably have a lot of fun.  So you may want to consider a hybrid board.
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Thanks a lot. Lots to digest here.

My Hypr is 165L which is still on the slim side volume wise for a board of that size and thankfully does sit quite low. A 30-35L drop seemed a good step to go and brought me into the bracket of a vast number of boards. And as I've said above, I'd rather have the wave count than bragging about litres in the line up. I'm sure many of you have had sessions where you're catching pretty much everything while the prone guys just sit there having a chat. To me that is one attraction of SUP Surfing.

You're right bout remodelling it in all honesty as I'm looking to go smaller I really need to look at alternative shapes. I will need all the help from the shape that I can get. Width in the tail is certainly on the cards for all the reasons you mention. Having a pin tail etc. is well and great if you've got enough of a wave to shove you along. If you haven't then you're on the back foot before you've got anywhere. Similarly some width in the nose will also help I feel. Firstly it forces the rails into a more parallel shape which should add speed when paddling in. That would be useful. Plus a squarer overall plan shape should aid in stability (I think) provided it doesn't get too corky whereby it's bobbling round on top of the water with every bump knocking it one way or another. So that's my thinking and suggestions on here, along with yours seem to corroborate that.

I suspect that diving straight to 7'10" would be too bigger step to be honest, I'm happy to take my time on this. I want to get it right and have a steady upward progression rather than trying to take a huge leap and struggling for a while.

I haven't heard of Simsup before. The UK SUP market is a bit of a barren one to be honest. We don't get the vast range that you find in the US and Oz. We can dip into Europe but increasing care needed there since we opted to embarrassingly shaft ourselves.

Foiling. I'm trying my hardest to resist this. I kitesurf and there's crossover there but for now I'll stick to the excuse that my local beach doesn't have the depth. It honestly doesn't with numerous sand bars etc. appearing etc. at various states of the tide. It is honestly a fantastic kitesurf beach, I rate it as one of the UK's best for various reasons including the sand bars which create massive lagoon at one end. I am fighting a losing battle I suspect.

Diet. What a challenge that is proving to be. 7 years ago I was diagnosed with a form of kidney disease. Thankfully I've been stable since that short period in hospital but diet has been crucial ever since that date. Increasingly so now as I've pretty much gone vegan as the reduction in animal protein seems to be beneficial. It has in my case, however, it hasn't helped me lose weight at all. If anything I'm finding it far more difficult. Previously, I could cut down on the junk and carbs, increase my activity and I could get my weight down. Add a crap, sedentary job, family with the diet whereby my link between calories and filling satisfied is broken and I'm carrying too much spare. Some of the medication I'm on doesn't help either (water retention) so that's a discussion I need to have with my consultant next month. A couple of months ago, I basically decided to eat less, cut down on stuff, even tried some fasting and got back on my bike, literally, and got back in the water. I haven't shifted an ounce. Not one, which has left me scratching my head a little to be honest.
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Re: Does such a board exist?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2021, 12:34:30 PM »

Simsup is kind of a trade name for a simmons shape board: short, wide, parallel with a wide tail.

Here's a good recent thread on L41's  Simsup and related shapes:

https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,37368.0.html

I think what's missing from this current thread is addressing whether the boards you've mentioned (RNB, Super Frank) which are marketed as good in small stuff, are also good in small messy choppy stuff.  I don't have the experience to answer. Just an observation. I would think the Super Frank would get you a long way, with both the 'lean' and 'wide' versions to tailor to your needs.       
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Re: Does such a board exist?
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2021, 01:40:37 PM »

Simsup is kind of a trade name for a simmons shape board: short, wide, parallel with a wide tail.

Here's a good recent thread on L41's  Simsup and related shapes:

https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,37368.0.html

I think what's missing from this current thread is addressing whether the boards you've mentioned (RNB, Super Frank) which are marketed as good in small stuff, are also good in small messy choppy stuff.  I don't have the experience to answer. Just an observation. I would think the Super Frank would get you a long way, with both the 'lean' and 'wide' versions to tailor to your needs.     

Great point. Anything that will make my experience easier is a massive step in the right direction to be honest.

Thinking about it it should be the central theme to the whole thread I think. A board that will make the step down in what are awful conditions or on the very odd occasion of when it is good, its still small, easier.

It obviously needs to work if I do manage to get to better breaks but even then the chances of going out in stuff that is significantly bigger is pretty small, and it's still likely to be choppy (not as choppy but still bumpy)


 


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