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Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« on: May 22, 2021, 02:06:20 AM »
So.......I'm a year in on the Maliko 200, confident riding in mostly knee to waist high, occasional waist/chest day (East Coast US waves). I'm not pumping back out the back great yet, but making some progress, but no issues linking waves and getting longer rides (45 seconds, etc.)

I'm debating going prone or staying with the SUP and maybe progressing to a high aspect wing. I'd like to try something with a bit more speed,but without losing the smaller wave lift of the Maliko 200. I also have a Gen 1 GoFoil mast that might be showing it's age a bit with some flexing.

So, any suggestions on going to the GL210, or what? If it's everyone's experience that gradual switch to prone just because of the lower volume is the biggest progression, I may go that route, but damn I still love hoping on the SUP. There's a few reasons the SUP is a better choice on some of our breaks (longer paddle often against some current to inlet breaks, gutless waves, and the occasional snipping at your heels).

Any thoughts?
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Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2021, 06:09:00 AM »
You described my progression. After a year on M200 my first HA wing was GL210. Now I have a quiver of GLs 140 to 240. They are great in my Gulf of Mexico conditions. I think youíre on the right track.
I am sure some will chime in with NL suggestions 😀
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Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2021, 06:19:47 AM »
I have progressed from Kai, Maliko 160, Maliko 200, Iwa, GL210, GL 140, NL190 and NL 130.

I weigh 185.

GL210 on a SUP is exactly 100% what you want.  No ambiguity.

The GL210 has a tad less lift than the M200 but is way more versatile.  It works from 3 ft in crappy 8 second waves East  Coast RI to 15 feet at Mavericks.  Itís also a great wing for wing dinging.  NL wings not as good in smaller slow stuff.   

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Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2021, 09:06:57 AM »
I also started on the M 200, have the GLs and NLs. I'm 210lb riding gut-less Texas surf and my go to is the NL220 but when the surf firms up I'll ride the NL190. I really like how they turn and sometimes I can pump up on foil after a small wave passes me and drop in from behind. Go NL.
 

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Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2021, 10:37:25 AM »
And of course, there's Axis, Armstrong, and a dozen others. The majority of wave surfers in Maui are on GoFoil GLs and NLs, and probably Armstrong is a close second.
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Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2021, 10:54:00 AM »


The GL210 has a tad less lift than the M200 but is way more versatile.  It works from 3 ft in crappy 8 second waves East  Coast RI to 15 feet at Mavericks.  Itís also a great wing for wing dinging.  NL wings not as good in smaller slow stuff.

GL 210 works for me in knee high stuff. 3ft8 sec I will be on gl 140 😂 and thatís an amazing day in SW Florida.
My favorite wing is GL180 thereís something special about it. Waist high wave for me and I am on it. 180 lbs.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2021, 10:55:34 AM by gone_foiling »
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Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2021, 02:24:51 PM »
You described my progression. After a year on M200 my first HA wing was GL210. Now I have a quiver of GLs 140 to 240. They are great in my Gulf of Mexico conditions. I think youíre on the right track.
I am sure some will chime in with NL suggestions 😀

Yeah, same board, same progression line. I had one person say go with a 180, but honestly, I have no issues being overcooked with the 200 95% of the time here, I'd rather have plenty of lift than not enough.
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Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2021, 04:18:37 PM »
Any comparision/thought on any of the Armstrong wings, they seem really well put together. I'm about 95% certain I'll go with the GL210, but figured I'd do my research.
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Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2021, 05:30:35 PM »
Not Armstrong, but Axis has a whole line of kits to meet any of your needs.

Comparable to the GL210 (96.1cm wingspan, 6.82 AR) are the...1000 (100cm, 7.63 AR), 980 (98cm, 7.49 AR), the 970 (97cm, 6.27 AR), 910 (91cm, 6.80), and 900 (90cm, 6.84) of various outlines/shapes...to really dial in what it is you're looking for from your new wing (takeoff, turning, pumping, ??). They have quite a few other, but I wanted to keep it to those that were close to the length and or AR of the GL210.

Not to mention the interchangeability of masts (6 lengths, two thicknesses), fuses (5 lengths), and tail wings (11 different shapes or sizes).

Yes, I'm quite biased towards Axis for a number of reasons, so please take into consideration wrt the above. But more than happy to answer any questions you might have about them, their difference performance characteristics, durability, or whatever.

For what it's worth, I used to ride Go Foil prior to Axis, and had the Iwa, Maliko200, GL180, and GL210 front wings, Kai, Maliko, and 18" flat tails, on the older 24" mast with 3" adapter for approx 27 total inches...so have an OK idea of the differences between the various combos from the two companies. I was never on the NLs Go Foils offer, but from seeing what some of my buddies are doing on them, they also look like a real doable option also.
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Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2021, 07:36:28 PM »
You described my progression. After a year on M200 my first HA wing was GL210. Now I have a quiver of GLs 140 to 240. They are great in my Gulf of Mexico conditions. I think youíre on the right track.
I am sure some will chime in with NL suggestions 😀

Yeah, same board, same progression line. I had one person say go with a 180, but honestly, I have no issues being overcooked with the 200 95% of the time here, I'd rather have plenty of lift than not enough.

I followed much of the same progression as many others here.  Maliko 160->IWA/M200->GL180->NL160.  Weigh 180lbs.  In the GL range, I too am also partial to 180... catches anything from 1 foot bumps up to shoulder/head high (or higher) depending on wave energy. 210 has same width but a bit extra chord and people love it too and since you like the 200 in most conditions you will probably like it.  The following chart was helpful to me as getting good data on the GF wings is hard:  https://gofoilaustralia.com.au/pages/what-foil-for-you 

In the NL line, the NL190 may be an amazing option.  Turns quicker than GL, has more glide, handles bigger drops with an easier lift profile and less work; at the expense of stalling if not at speed.  I think it also has more lift than the 180.  Oh and if considering an upgrade,  the pedestal is a big improvement to the original Maliko tail... the short pedestal and KDMaui 13.5 tail is amazing though the 14.5 GF was a noticeable improvement over the Maliko tail.  Looks like you have great Axis recommendations too--I did try a friend's 910 on the ultrashort and it was amazing too.  Felt like it was in between the GL140 and GL180 and had a big range.

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Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2021, 12:15:05 AM »
for SUP the next step is the GL 210...eventually you want to get to the NL220 but if you try to  jump too far ahead youll just get frustrated and maybe hurt...the NLs are super advanced but if youre ready for them theyll do some really COOL STUFF!

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Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2021, 08:24:27 AM »
Any opinion on the pedestal length 6.5 to 9.5"? Also, I have a flip tip tail that's a 14.5" from a friend, will that work with the GL210 on the GF 1.0 mast?
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Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2021, 12:02:20 PM »
Any opinion on the pedestal length 6.5 to 9.5"? Also, I have a flip tip tail that's a 14.5" from a friend, will that work with the GL210 on the GF 1.0 mast?

I have both but use the 6.5 pretty exclusively after I got it and it works great with the 14.5".  Carves so much better but may be a bit more of a learning curve than 9.5".

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Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2021, 02:54:45 PM »
Any opinion on the pedestal length 6.5 to 9.5"? Also, I have a flip tip tail that's a 14.5" from a friend, will that work with the GL210 on the GF 1.0 mast?

Appst, I have the GF 1.0 Mast(s) and my pedestal and 14.5 flip fit.. I vaguely remember sanding fuselage a bit to get it to snug up. Then I wrapped the join(fuse/pedestal) with electric tape to make it haul ass.

I am running the GL210 and I go back and forth between the 14.5 flip and my whit trash chopped Maliko tail. I am having a hard time leaving the maliko chopped tail.

I am 160lbs, enjoy long waves, and am getting the NL160 next.
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Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2021, 06:02:58 PM »
I wing with the long pedestal and sup foil with short. There ain't so much difference between the two but winging with longer pedestal removes that nervousness in the board and long pedestal DOESN'T hinder carving ability. Get both  ;D
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