Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression

[pafoil]

Hi,
I have been riding the gl240 and NL160. Both for winging and sup. I only use the 6.5" tail with a shopped flat tail to 15".
After testing this setup, I sold the longer tail. Cutting the tail improved my turns and reduced damage on wings and legs. I don't really understand why the companies keep using these sharp tails, when the different in speed is just 1 or 2 knots.
My only advice, is check warranty conditions when buying big wings; the mast tends to brittle when overload.

PA, how much do you weigh?

I'm 82 kg. The GL240 works for me until 1 to 1,5 meters waves. Over that the NL160 is a must have. I'm using the NL160 for winging, from 12knt; and it can handle waves up to 2-3 meters ok.
-thanks red

[APPST_Paddle]

To circle back around to the beginning post, I got the GL 210 with the 14.5" flip tip. Here's the progression:

1st session - changed both wing and tail, hated it, super small (ankle high dribbles)
2nd session - went back to Maliko tail, felt a bit better, still lacking lift, getting worried.
3rd session - a bit better, still feels like I lost a gear.
4th session - big (chest high) dumpy shorebreak, no real test.
5th sesssion - typical foiling conditions, long, slow, knee to thigh high dribbles. Started dialing it in, speed is apparent, figured out that once you get past the initial lack of lift, it will glide through sections the Maliko stalled in.
6th session - added back flip tip tail, felt smoother.
7th - 8th: Perfect, not going back to Maliko.

So........initially hated it, now.....yeah not going back. Lose maybe 10% lift and gain probably 25% efficiency. How does that translate? I was stalling out quite a bit when I would go back to my toeside carve after a deep heelside carve into the section. Now....it glides right through it. Lift wise, I probably need one more quick paddle stroke on in between waves, anything that is easily catchable is still easily catchable.

Next up - board size drop.

[Beasho]

The GL210 is my go-to wing for waves from 3 to 7 feet. 

Below this size waves are typically slower and I will grab for the M200 on the West Coast.  But on the East Coast have been grabbing the M280. 

The wave period matters.  East coast waves can be 4 second to 8 second period and SLOW.  Whereas small West Coast waves are rarely below 8 second period.  They are typically 10 to 12 second period and therefore faster small waves.

Using a more efficient tail with the M200 also helps a lot.  I started using the KAI tail and now use the 18" Narrow Flat GoFoil tail which is MUCH less draggy.  The cleaner more efficient tails add new life to the fat old wings. 

[APPST_Paddle]

Appst, I think the tail is right but I only have the short pedestal 14 flip.

One thing that I would recommend is to go back to whatever tail you are used to. The HA wing is so much different than the M200 that you will want some consistency. I would also say that the GL210 has less lift than the M200 and that you might benefit from a fat ass Maliko blue tail.

I have been running my GL210 with my Maliko Blue Chopped tail only.

I bought the 14 flip / Short pedestal and felt like I did not have anything to stomp against when trying to get to wing. Its like my back foot pushed down into the water more and I was not able to engage the foil. I know that as I progress the 14 flip will be awesome but I am just sharing my experience with the GL210.

-red

This....is exactly what is happening to me. I swapped the tail mid-session this AM and absolutely hated the flip tail (I went back to the giant Maliko tail). So.....the question becomes.......chop the Maliko tail or 18" flat or what? It's like the back end is just sticking to the water and I'm not getting up or if I do it's a hell of a lot more effort than with the Maliko tail.

I'd just stick with the Maliko tail, but I'm about to sell that setup to a friend. Any thoughts?

[red_tx]

Appst.
I would just chop the Maliko tail for now and keep trying the 14 flip.  The chopped tail provides enough lift to help pop up out of the water and is not too big to still have fun and haul ass.

I think the 18 flat would be better for winging and would not mess with it now..
Focus on getting up on the new HA wings then move to the flat tails.

The first couple of times I rode my 14 flip in the surf I also felt like nothing was there. I quickly moved back to the chopped maliko. It was when I first winged on the 14 flip where I figured it out. It is so fast and it + the GL120 require just more forward board speed and dont/wont jump out of the water like the M200..

You can delay the inevitable with the Malkio Chopped, but the 14 flip is the tail for surf with GF for now.
-red

[APPST_Paddle]

Appst.
I would just chop the Maliko tail for now and keep trying the 14 flip.  The chopped tail provides enough lift to help pop up out of the water and is not too big to still have fun and haul ass.

I think the 18 flat would be better for winging and would not mess with it now..
Focus on getting up on the new HA wings then move to the flat tails.

The first couple of times I rode my 14 flip in the surf I also felt like nothing was there. I quickly moved back to the chopped maliko. It was when I first winged on the 14 flip where I figured it out. It is so fast and it + the GL120 require just more forward board speed and dont/wont jump out of the water like the M200..

You can delay the inevitable with the Malkio Chopped, but the 14 flip is the tail for surf with GF for now.
-red

Yeah, I mean......with the Maliko tail, I can get the GL210 going in basically nothing, I'm talking ankle to knee non-breaking shite, more efficient than the Maliko, almost the same lift. Put the 14 flip tip on and it feels like it's just pulling me backward when I'm pumping to start and I end up with way too much weight on the tail end. I know it's my technique, but.......even once going it's fidgety at best.

It's frustrating, has anyone worked with shimming the 14.5 flip for more lift?

[gone_foiling]

Try 17.5 tail, makes a huge difference in pumping for me compared to 14.5

[APPST_Paddle]

Anyone that has switched from the 1.0 to 1.5 pedestal, did you stick with the tuttle/plate adapter or just go straight for the plate mount built-in. I'm guessing the 1.5 is stiffer, lighter, etc.?

[805StandUp]

Anyone that has switched from the 1.0 to 1.5 pedestal, did you stick with the tuttle/plate adapter or just go straight for the plate mount built-in. I'm guessing the 1.5 is stiffer, lighter, etc.?

I was told by Karla that the 1.5 mast and 1.0 are the same weight for the 29.5 and believe it is the same stiffness too.  I imagine the built in plate mount  does save some screw weight.

[APPST_Paddle]

Anyone that has switched from the 1.0 to 1.5 pedestal, did you stick with the tuttle/plate adapter or just go straight for the plate mount built-in. I'm guessing the 1.5 is stiffer, lighter, etc.?

I was told by Karla that the 1.5 mast and 1.0 are the same weight for the 29.5 and believe it is the same stiffness too.  I imagine the built in plate mount  does save some screw weight.

So is there any reason to upgrade?

[805StandUp]

So is there any reason to upgrade?

I chose to stick with my 1.0.  As I understand it, the 1.5 has higher tolerance on the fuselage to fit the new wings but my 1.0 29.5 is pretty close.  There are also different lengths with the plate mounts.  Oh, with regards to stiffness, the 29.5 has a wider chord than the 28.5 so that one is stiffer.  Not sure if the 32.5 and 29.5 plate mount are even wider or same as the 1.0 29.5.  The 1.5 wings are noticeably lighter than 1.0 wings.

[Surfside]

It's frustrating, has anyone worked with shimming the 14.5 flip for more lift?

Yes, I use a washer on the 14.5.

Been riding the KDM 15" the last couple of days in knee to thigh and it's really nice. The shims are too.

[805StandUp]

It's frustrating, has anyone worked with shimming the 14.5 flip for more lift?

Yes, I use a washer on the 14.5.

Been riding the KDM 15" the last couple of days in knee to thigh and it's really nice. The shims are too.

Isn't it awesome!?!?  I switched from the 14.5 to the KDM 13.5 and it is amazing!

[APPST_Paddle]

Try 17.5 tail, makes a huge difference in pumping for me compared to 14.5

Good call - night and day, got the 17.5 works perfect. No washer/shim adjustments yet. Thanks.

[gone_foiling]

👍 I tried shimming this and that but I think Gofoil is perfect at its default settings. But that’s just my opinion.