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Wing Quiver - 5m plus 3m or 4m?
« on: April 03, 2021, 12:57:27 PM »
Ok so looking for another wing for the higher wind days here (20-30mph mostly.)

I have a Swing 5m and am 140lbs (63kg.) Iím comfortable on this from about 12mph to low 20ís. At my weight, 20 is rocking with a 5 and Iíd like to drop a size.

The question is do I go to 3m or 4m? Iím leaning towards 4 as I think that might be an easy overlap and 20-30 is about the best days we see in SoCal.

But 3 would give me more range on top for trips to where the wind really rocks. Whatís the real world low end on a 3m wing at my size? Or am I fine with a 4 and just borrow or buy a 3 when I make it to the islands?

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Re: Wing Quiver - 5m plus 3m or 4m?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2021, 01:37:13 PM »
get the ensis 3.5... you know who to contact

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Re: Wing Quiver - 5m plus 3m or 4m?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2021, 02:31:59 PM »
I have a 6m+4m,as my pumping up on foil is getting better and wings are getting gruntier my next quiver will probably be 5 and 3.5m (i am 75kg).

The 5m is what i miss a lot...i think it is the Swiss Army knife of wing sizes :)

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Re: Wing Quiver - 5m plus 3m or 4m?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2021, 04:48:36 PM »
Iím 140 lbs as well and I have 2-6M BRMs. My go to in the 20-30 range is definitely the 3M. If it is in the upper 20s I will try for the 2.2M. The smaller size will allow you really big powerful pumps without catching the water.  Damien Leroys YouTube video on pumping has helped me tons, as I previously thought his technique didnít work, but I was wrong. (Although the 5m swing (which I had previously) pumps very differently to my BRMs)
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Re: Wing Quiver - 5m plus 3m or 4m?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2021, 08:56:18 PM »
Thx guys.

I had the same experience VB. Damienís videos really helped me connect the dots on pumping the wing. Scooping with a catch like paddling helped me. I now pump through lulls that wouldíve dropped me.

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Re: Wing Quiver - 5m plus 3m or 4m?
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2021, 06:56:05 AM »
Definitely 3.5 f-one at your weight
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Re: Wing Quiver - 5m plus 3m or 4m?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2021, 07:31:14 AM »
I have a 5 strike and a 3.5 Ensis. I weight 151 lbs.  Foils are 1850 and 1550

5.0 Strike gets me from 10 knots to 20 knots and I donít think a six would get me much more on the low end.

Ensis 3.5 is a grunty wing that feels more like a 4.0. I can get it on foil probably around 14 knots, maybe a little less, but it feels super overpowered for me at 26-27 because the gusts are usually in the 30 range.

I donít get much wind above 35 knots, so no comments in that range.

I think my overlap would be great for 10-30 with 5 and 3.5 Strikes, assuming the Strike has a little less power than the Ensis. So Iím looking for a 3.5 Strike (no one seems to have them).

In short and to answer your question more directly, I would not do a 5.0/4.2 Swing quiver, I would do 5.0/3.5.

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Re: Wing Quiver - 5m plus 3m or 4m?
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2021, 10:39:14 AM »
With your size and weight, you can get away with a limited quiver, but if you're going to wing in places with higher wind, you're going to need more range. Places like Maui have wind consistently, but the range is 10-30 with gusts much higher. You'd want a 3M here, and maybe a 2M.

If you downwind the apparent wind falls quickly, so you need an upper range wing. Maybe a 4.0, but on lighter days a 5.0 would be better. For a two-wing quiver, I'd say 2.8 and 5.

Fatass guys like me need more wings, especially those who are addicted to high wind like the gorge. My new quiver of Strikes is 2.8, 3.5, 4.2, 5.0, 6.0 and I'll probably order a 7.0 Duotone Slick. If you do the math, those sizes are about 20% difference from 2.8 to 3.5, and the rest are 17% jumps. Any former gorge windsurfer would consider those ideal jumps since most wind increments day-to-day or morning/afternoon are in the 20% range--20mph in the morning, 25 at noon is a common shift. That's a 20% change. If a 4.2 is perfect for your morning session morning a 3.5 will be perfect in the afternoon.

Since you're light you can get away with bigger jumps, but in some places, you won't have easy choices--you'll be too big/too small for conditions. 2.8 to 5.0 is a 44% jump in area. Perfect at 15mph wind and at 30mph and a little bit compromised everywhere else.
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Re: Wing Quiver - 5m plus 3m or 4m?
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2021, 11:33:55 AM »
5 plus 3

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Re: Wing Quiver - 5m plus 3m or 4m?
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2021, 03:30:00 PM »
My new quiver of Strikes is 2.8, 3.5, 4.2, 5.0, 6.0

Where did you get the smaller strikes?  I canít find them anywhere!

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Re: Wing Quiver - 5m plus 3m or 4m?
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2021, 08:01:43 PM »
I'm still waiting for the 2.8 and the 6.0. I ordered a full quiver from Winddance in Hood River as soon as I read about them. I like the wings a lot, and the blurb about them pointing upwind better is totally true. In fact, I'm having a bit of a challenge getting used to that. Every point of sail other than close-hauled feels like I'm going downwind. I'm sure I'll get used to it. The quality is off the charts good.
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Re: Wing Quiver - 5m plus 3m or 4m?
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2021, 06:11:11 AM »
Thanks.  Emailed them to see if they have 3.5

Love my 5.0. Super light, stable and trucks upwind.

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Re: Wing Quiver - 5m plus 3m or 4m?
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2021, 08:11:33 AM »
Thanks guys.

And thanks for the insight on the 3.5. Thatís sort of my fear with the tighter more grunty wings. Iíd assume that you want that grunt at the 10-15 range but less so as it gets stronger.

Iím looking to go up to about 30 and cheat 35 gusts.

Bigmtn, Iím going to try an Ensis but Iím thinking I want something with more ďgiveĒ right now on my top end. I figure about the time I want to move on from my 5m Swing I can replace that with something with strong low end. But when itís blowing here in lower wind we will see 15-25 gusts so you have to have something with some ďshock absorberĒ built in. I can feather the swing pretty well and cruise.

Sounds crazy but when itís blowing I want to be underpowered for now.

Keep an eye out for 3mís for me Maui and OR guys.

Iím also tempted to do what I did with wings and buy a set of Gen 4 Gongs to test and sell if they donít work. Iím about to buy a high aspect foil from them to complete the experiment before I decide if I want to move on to the inevitable Axis quiver that is a rite of passage in LA. Hahaha

 


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