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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2021, 05:30:47 PM »
My HA1125 & A+ fuselage arrived yesterday...
Going to get them in the water tomorrow...very interested to see how it performs... 8)

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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2021, 05:35:28 PM »
I gave the 1125 it’s maiden voyage today! 100cm mast / 70 cm fuse / 13” kdmaui tail / +1 shim   4M wing in 14-20mph wing with flat water transitioning to thigh high river bumps in 80 feet of water.

My new 60 fuse didn’t arrive and my 50 fuse wouldn’t fit at the beach, but luckily I had packed my 70.  I hadn’t ridden the 70 fuse in over a year.

This foil is awesome. Finally seeing the light when de-powering into a wind bump and not feeling like I was on the verge of loosing speed quickly if I didn’t take the perfect line. Even with the mega-mast burying the foil deep, I was connecting my longest downwind glides yet. I hated the 70 fuse though.

Made probably 80% of gybes compared to 98% on the 1250. Made my two toeside tack attempts (touched down on one).  The stall speed looks around 7-9 mph. Launch speed is very similar in the 6-7 mph range. Definitely pumped more than I have in a long while and I certainly  worked out the soreness from yesterday’s COVID vaccine!  Really needed a strong gust while moving forward to get up.  My mast positioning, strap location, and tail shim choice were probably not helping. Will need some dialing in.

I will check back in after I get out on the 60 or 50 fuse with the new tail wing.

Initial thoughts: this will be my go-to river bump riding foil and down-winger foil, as well as summer flat surf pump wing. It also felt like it wanted to jump as it flew upwind!

I’m a 5’9” 65kg rider:

Boards:
   4' 27L Armstrong FG Wing/Surf
   4'11" 60L Armstrong Wing/Sup
   4’10” 37L FSM
   5’11” 100L FSM

Foils: Armstrong HS625, HS850, HS1050, HA1125, HS1850, CF2400
Wings: BRM 2M-6M

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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2021, 02:15:27 PM »
I gave the 1125 it’s maiden voyage today! 100cm mast / 70 cm fuse / 13” kdmaui tail / +1 shim   4M wing in 14-20mph wing with flat water transitioning to thigh high river bumps in 80 feet of water.

My new 60 fuse didn’t arrive and my 50 fuse wouldn’t fit at the beach, but luckily I had packed my 70.  I hadn’t ridden the 70 fuse in over a year.

This foil is awesome. Finally seeing the light when de-powering into a wind bump and not feeling like I was on the verge of loosing speed quickly if I didn’t take the perfect line. Even with the mega-mast burying the foil deep, I was connecting my longest downwind glides yet. I hated the 70 fuse though.

Made probably 80% of gybes compared to 98% on the 1250. Made my two toeside tack attempts (touched down on one).  The stall speed looks around 7-9 mph. Launch speed is very similar in the 6-7 mph range. Definitely pumped more than I have in a long while and I certainly  worked out the soreness from yesterday’s COVID vaccine!  Really needed a strong gust while moving forward to get up.  My mast positioning, strap location, and tail shim choice were probably not helping. Will need some dialing in.

I will check back in after I get out on the 60 or 50 fuse with the new tail wing.

Initial thoughts: this will be my go-to river bump riding foil and down-winger foil, as well as summer flat surf pump wing. It also felt like it wanted to jump as it flew upwind!

It may be too early to tell but do you think you have to go one wing size bigger compared to the 1850?

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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #48 on: April 11, 2021, 12:37:33 PM »
Phils,

   Initial though is yes, one size wing larger.  I really want to try the 50 fuse, as the 70 fuse could have been throwing my pump game outta whack a bit.  Also want to try with a bit more angle of attack in the tail. 

   I proned the 1150 with the 85cm Mast and 70 and 50 fuse yesterday.  I had the KD maui 13" tail and +1 shim, which makes it very pitch neutral out of the tail I believe.  I didn't have time to mess with base plate positioning so left in one spot for both fuses.  Initial thoughts:

1. Foil is fast. 
2. Super stable on take-offs.
3. 70 fuse sucks for 3' at 10 seconds.  Couldn't turn it.
4. 50 Fuse is technical on the pump with that tail combo. (lack of pitch in the tail let it wander quite a bit and didn't seem to jump up super fast on de-weight).   First time pumping a HA wing, but seen plenty of footage of the quick pump technique.  Super fun.

I’m a 5’9” 65kg rider:

Boards:
   4' 27L Armstrong FG Wing/Surf
   4'11" 60L Armstrong Wing/Sup
   4’10” 37L FSM
   5’11” 100L FSM

Foils: Armstrong HS625, HS850, HS1050, HA1125, HS1850, CF2400
Wings: BRM 2M-6M

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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2021, 10:25:34 AM »
I have two sessions on the HA1125 and I didn't want to post my thoughts until I had at least one session in higher winds, but it seems like that isn't going to happen anytime soon, so I'll go ahead and post about my two low wind experiences. All wind speeds I took from the National Weather Service weather buoy from my spot for the times I was out wing dinging.

Stats: 10 knots windspeed with gusts to 13 (14 at times).  I'm 155# and both times used a Strike 5.0

Rode back to back with a HS1850, first session HA1125 first then HS1850, second session reversed (that way being tired doesn't affect the outcome).  Both were on 72cm mast, 60cm fuse (old style) 232 rear, 0 degree shim.

Top speed: 18.1 knots on the HA1125, 16.5 on the HS1850 (Recorded on Apple Watch)

Takeoff:
I was on foil all the time with the HS1850 - one or two pumps and you're up. 
The HA1125 requires more finesse: a combination of more patience, pumping the wing with a shorter stroke and maybe a tad more downwind angle.

I think the wind was marginal for the HA1125 and I expect it would be much easier to get it going with a solid 14 knots of breeze. I could take advantage of a 4-5 second gust to come up on foil on the 1850, the 1125 needed a 7-8 second gust - this seems like an eternity when the wind is low.

The 1850 comes up gradually and is easier to control with the front foot, the 1125 comes up fast and will porpoise if you're not paying attention, so you need to be subtle: rear foot while coming up to speed, then front foot gradually to control trim.  Think of it as feathering the throttle instead of stomping on the accelerator.  A longer mast would probably be helpful (more on this later).

Pumping: The 1850 can ride higher in the water, for some reason.  This means that pumping the foil is easier on the 72 cm mast as there is more "room to play" between touching down and breaching. The 1125 will breach easier so I found myself keeping it lower in the water.  This means the board slapped the chop more and I had less space to pump the foil.  A longer mast would probably solve both those issues and probably improve the low end a little.

Gybes:  I'm at 50% on foil for the 1850 (so take my comments with a grain of salt), Could not stay on foil for any on the 1125. The 1125 comes off of foil abruptly and then slows down almost immediately.  With the 1850, you can feel the foil start to drop and it is easier to recover. Also, I can touch down and just kiss the surface of the water and come back up on foil immediately after the foot switch.  Cannot do that yet with the 1125 (maybe need more wind).  The arc of the turn has to be wider with the 1125.

Glide:  Both of these wings will handle the lulls really well and won't come off foil easily.  If I put the Strike in neutral I can pump the 1850 for longer, again some of that may have to do with the mast height.

Upwind angle:  Substantially higher with the HA1125.  The Strike and the 1850 or 1550 are pretty amazing but  the HA1125/Strike combo is unreal.  I had no worries going deep downwind to get on foil because I knew I could just motor back upwind once I got the thing flying. 

Speed:  If the 10% speed increase I mentioned at the beginning of the post holds in higher winds, I should be able to easily improve on my previous speeds. I'm expecting 25 knot straight-line speeds in 18-20 knots.  Maybe not spectacular but super fast for me. Maybe I can keep up with the windfoilers in straight line speeds and the kitefoilers in wind angles  ;)

In conclusion, for where I'm at - learning to ride small waves and perfecting transitions, I'll stick to the HS1850/1550 because they are sharper turning and more forgiving and will come up on foil easier when you make a mistake.  But for higher winds, higher speeds and upwind/downwind cruising angles in the bay, the HA1125 will be the foil to ride.

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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2021, 01:31:39 PM »
Great review Wingingtanuki.   

I just received the new FlyingV FV200 tail wing.  This thing looks nuts!   I hear it pairs super well with the 1125, so I will try and get some water time so I can provide my experience.

I tried proning the 1125 w/ 85CM mast and both the 70cm fuse and 50cm fuse (KDmaui 13" tail w/ +1 shim).  It was super stable on takeoff and wanted to go fast right away.  70cm fuse wouldn't turn and the 50 fuse was tough to pump!  I felt like a newbie snowboarder going straight and not knowing to to keep an edge, waiving my arms around.  Can't wait to get the 60 fuse and FV200 in the water for a proper dial in session.  I'll just say my first session didn't go as well as I had planned (pumping laps everywhere).
I’m a 5’9” 65kg rider:

Boards:
   4' 27L Armstrong FG Wing/Surf
   4'11" 60L Armstrong Wing/Sup
   4’10” 37L FSM
   5’11” 100L FSM

Foils: Armstrong HS625, HS850, HS1050, HA1125, HS1850, CF2400
Wings: BRM 2M-6M

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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2021, 07:59:40 PM »

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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2021, 09:00:31 PM »
Super skills!  Well done. Stoked on this for small days -connections all day prone.   I hear it’s nuts!  Got one on order..

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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2021, 08:09:20 PM »
Ok so like 4 or 5 sessions in the books for the 1125. Three days in a row with the swallowtail. Today was the day I was waiting for to test at my local river spot. Steady 15-20mph side shore conditions. After trying the +1 shim yesterday and then trying a negative 1 degree baseplate shim, I went back to zero shims and slammed forward in the box with the 50 fuse (A+ is 2cm longer, so really 52).

I’m pretty blown away by this setup. The wing has so much range and can turn on a dime. It definitely requires good technique and quick reflexes, which is what I enjoy.   I was towing into small double up river bumps and gliding at least twice as far between power ups.  The acceleration is instant. Start to get towards stalling point? Just sheet in and BAM you are way down the line to the next Streep section to de- power again.  I can already tell that riding this wing will improve my technique on the others.

It reminds me of getting fresh tracks after 2’ of fresh pow and dropping into a steep slope that has plenty of covered up moguls. You can’t feel the hard moguls but you are banking and slashing everywhere.

At this point, this is my favorite Armstrong wing for Winging.  It turns my local spot into an amazing time. 10 miles covered in an hour and wanted to keep going for another 10.

Can’t wait to take it to wing in some ocean waves!
I’m a 5’9” 65kg rider:

Boards:
   4' 27L Armstrong FG Wing/Surf
   4'11" 60L Armstrong Wing/Sup
   4’10” 37L FSM
   5’11” 100L FSM

Foils: Armstrong HS625, HS850, HS1050, HA1125, HS1850, CF2400
Wings: BRM 2M-6M

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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2021, 04:17:42 PM »
Armstrong HA1125 powered by the Slick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TCAbOU4xHg

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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2021, 04:10:37 AM »
When I first saw the specs on this foil, I dismissed it a being too small for winging but over time, with better low end wing dings and more experience with smaller foils, I decided to give it a go.  All I can say is WOW.  The hype is accurate.  My preferred set up is with 60 cm A+ fuse, 232 tail (no shim), 85 cm mast all the way forward.

The biggest downside is the higher speed needed for lift off.  I am guessing I need a wing size bigger compared to the Armstrong 1250 or Axis 910.  That will probably get better with more time and refinement of technique. (keep board flat until speed is built up). 

The upside is that the acceleration, glide and pump are in a completely different league compared to anything I have experienced (Lift HA, Axis HA, LP, Delta).  It just goes and goes.  A couple of light, quick pumps and it shoots forward to that next swell.  It is the ultimate Gorge foil.  And I can carve it.  It took a while to figure out the technique but when I get it right, it just locks in and carves a wave face like it is on tracks.  This is the first high aspect foil I have been able to do this with. 

Attached (I hope) is an image of my geeky self at The Wall (East Gorge) on a 30 mph day with my Fone 2.8

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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2021, 04:31:42 AM »
Yeah I’ve been almost exclusively on the 1125 for a while now. You can definitely carve it! 

Finally dialing in my prone settings as well. Last session with typical tiny summer swell I was catching tiny waves on the inside of the surfers at a peak, kicking out and pumping for the horizon, having my pick of swells for the return trip down the beach where the waves weren’t really working for surfers. Being able to have that confidence is something I haven’t experienced with other Armstrong wings.

I’m on the look out for a ha950 or similar!
I’m a 5’9” 65kg rider:

Boards:
   4' 27L Armstrong FG Wing/Surf
   4'11" 60L Armstrong Wing/Sup
   4’10” 37L FSM
   5’11” 100L FSM

Foils: Armstrong HS625, HS850, HS1050, HA1125, HS1850, CF2400
Wings: BRM 2M-6M

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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #57 on: June 16, 2021, 01:31:38 PM »
When I first saw the specs on this foil, I dismissed it a being too small for winging but over time, with better low end wing dings and more experience with smaller foils, I decided to give it a go.  All I can say is WOW.  The hype is accurate.  My preferred set up is with 60 cm A+ fuse, 232 tail (no shim), 85 cm mast all the way forward.

The biggest downside is the higher speed needed for lift off.  I am guessing I need a wing size bigger compared to the Armstrong 1250 or Axis 910.  That will probably get better with more time and refinement of technique. (keep board flat until speed is built up). 

The upside is that the acceleration, glide and pump are in a completely different league compared to anything I have experienced (Lift HA, Axis HA, LP, Delta).  It just goes and goes.  A couple of light, quick pumps and it shoots forward to that next swell.  It is the ultimate Gorge foil.  And I can carve it.  It took a while to figure out the technique but when I get it right, it just locks in and carves a wave face like it is on tracks.  This is the first high aspect foil I have been able to do this with. 

Attached (I hope) is an image of my geeky self at The Wall (East Gorge) on a 30 mph day with my Fone 2.8

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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #58 on: June 16, 2021, 01:33:32 PM »
Hey Phil

What size KT board are you on? Looks like you're dialed in.

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Re: Armstrong HA1125
« Reply #59 on: June 17, 2021, 05:26:41 AM »
Hey Phil

What size KT board are you on? Looks like you're dialed in.

It's 4-9 x 75 L Custom build.  Light and stiff.  I am very happy with it.  They were very good to work with and will build you exactly what you want.

 


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