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Axis 860 vs 900
« on: February 24, 2021, 10:34:28 PM »
You know I picked up an 860 surf wing and it's pretty fun..but I still actually prefer my 900with ultrashort and a small stab. Anybody else out there feeling what I'm throwing down?

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Re: Axis 860 vs 900
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2021, 04:03:08 AM »
I preferred the 900 over the 860. The HPS foils crush them both.

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Re: Axis 860 vs 900
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2021, 08:45:07 AM »
My alternatives are 1000/860 because I'm probably heavier (215#). I do switch back and forth, but it's not a matter of liking one or the other more, they are so different. The 860 carves and swoops, the 1000 turns and glides. The 860 takes a lot of speed to lift, and when it comes up it's easy to stall, the 1000 is two pumps and you're going, and it doesn't stall unless you do something silly.

Light wind --1150. Mid-speed wind (20-30) and I'm on the 1000. High wind it's 860 every time.

Mushy waves--1150. More punch 1000. Scary 860.

I haven't found a quiver killer except for SoCal with lousy wind and shore break surf. For here it's 1150 for everything except San Onofre where the 1000 gets the nod.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2021, 08:47:22 AM by PonoBill »
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Re: Axis 860 vs 900
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2021, 01:38:57 PM »
I have ridden double gull shape wings of other brands and had trouble feeling at home on them.  My understanding is they were designed for kiting fully powered up on tiny little boards zig zagging around continually turning to one side and then the other, with no interest in straight line cruising or speed.

900 is my favorite axis wing so far.  I am wondering how flat wings of equal or larger span turn better than the 900?  Love to see someone ripping turns on them.
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Re: Axis 860 vs 900
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2021, 03:55:01 PM »
I have ridden double gull shape wings of other brands and had trouble feeling at home on them.  My understanding is they were designed for kiting fully powered up on tiny little boards zig zagging around continually turning to one side and then the other, with no interest in straight line cruising or speed.

900 is my favorite axis wing so far.  I am wondering how flat wings of equal or larger span turn better than the 900?  Love to see someone ripping turns on them.

You just described the 860. It's happiest when it's banking. Going straight is a bit of a chore, and basically pointless. I just go with it, I love that feeling. That wing plus a 96cm mast and I'm a zigzagging fool. So much fun.

I've learned to turn the heck out of the 1150, which is odd, because the 1010 looks a lot like it, and it pivots rather than turns. I thought perhaps I was just inept or confused but I've heard lots of people say the same thing. The 1150 will lock into a turn and just keep turning until you say stop. In fact, I've blown right out the back of a wave because I didn't. If you just stay in it, the 1150 will do a 360 or more, while I can't think of a way to make a 1010 do that other than in separate chucks of making the board pivot.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2021, 03:59:35 PM by PonoBill »
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Re: Axis 860 vs 900
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2021, 07:14:21 PM »
Both are fun depending on what I'm looking to do. 900 is faster, curvier, and pumps better, 860 is slower, slashier, and more difficult to pump. But you have to keep the 860 moving on the wave; while the 900 likes to glide when allowed to, the 860...not so much. Best of both of them...900, crazy short, 390 or 370...super fun, fast, slashy, and still glides and pumps well (just have to pick up the cadence a bit).
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Re: Axis 860 vs 900
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2021, 09:18:26 PM »
I preferred the 900 over the 860. The HPS foils crush them both.


What Black series wing are you on Dwight? Please expound!

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Re: Axis 860 vs 900
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2021, 03:52:28 AM »

What Black series wing are you on Dwight? Please expound!

I ride the HPS-980 v1 all the time. I only use the 1050 when I have to use my 6m Ensis. My wife uses the HPS-880 all the time. She only uses her 980 v1 when she has to use the 5.2m Ensis.

So it is one foil for all but the worst light wind days (10-14) for each of us.

I only point out weíre using the v1 980 because, the current equal size/area/lift  v2 HPS (all final production models are v2) is the 930.  So to be crystal clear, the v1 980 compares to the current 930. The v2 980 is bigger foil.




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Re: Axis 860 vs 900
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2021, 07:58:35 PM »
Anyone surfing (no wind power) the HPS wings?  Is there anything in the lineup worth a look? 

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Re: Axis 860 vs 900
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2021, 08:20:02 PM »
The 980 is being used by a guy in la to learn how to downwind. Seems to work pretty good. Last slide here.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMOkr33rz_y/?igshid=28cmevgwhghj

A demo 880 just made its way to la so we'll see how that goes.

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Re: Axis 860 vs 900
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2021, 08:30:35 PM »
Anyone surfing (no wind power) the HPS wings?  Is there anything in the lineup worth a look?
Yes!! The 980 is super fun in averaged size waves, and the 1050 is an absolute blast in the smaller stuff (click here to checkout a report on it). Looking forward to getting my hands on the 880 in the not too distant future, and will report on that then. :)
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Re: Axis 860 vs 900
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2021, 11:46:07 PM »

What Black series wing are you on Dwight? Please expound!

I ride the HPS-980 v1 all the time. I only use the 1050 when I have to use my 6m Ensis. My wife uses the HPS-880 all the time. She only uses her 980 v1 when she has to use the 5.2m Ensis.

So it is one foil for all but the worst light wind days (10-14) for each of us.

I only point out weíre using the v1 980 because, the current equal size/area/lift  v2 HPS (all final production models are v2) is the 930.  So to be crystal clear, the v1 980 compares to the current 930. The v2 980 is bigger foil.
This is the foil sup  forum.
Have you also sup foiled theHPS880 HPS980 and HPS1050?

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Re: Axis 860 vs 900
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2021, 12:08:00 AM »
Anyone surfing (no wind power) the HPS wings?  Is there anything in the lineup worth a look?
Yes!! The 980 is super fun in averaged size waves, and the 1050 is an absolute blast in the smaller stuff (click here to checkout a report on it). Looking forward to getting my hands on the 880 in the not too distant future, and will report on that then. :)

Is there any downside to the 1050 that youíve noticed?  Thanks, I went and reread that thread.  ;)

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Re: Axis 860 vs 900
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2021, 09:48:50 AM »
Is there any downside to the 1050 that youíve noticed?  Thanks, I went and reread that thread.  ;)
Only that it's a bigger wing, and you can't throw it around as much as a smaller one (and why the 880 interests me so much).

But that's also just me personally, I dig everything about HA wings. But some folks don't like HA wings because they don't have as much initial lift as LA ones, and thus don't "Ollie up" as easily/instantly on takeoff, and even have a slight "stickiness" as you're initially up and flying that you have to give a quick pump to release before you're off to the races. Because of that, there's a bit of getting used to this "pause and release" (best way I can describe it) which some never really master or become comfortable with for whatever reason(s).

Some are also intimidated by the speed once they do get them in the air, and the HPS wings don't like to slow down or they'll fall out of the sky. I tell all riders taking the HPS wings out for the first time, that they need to keep hustling them, and don't become complacent with how easily/effortlessly they glide and pump. But inevitably, all come back with a big smile on their face about how true that statement is, because you just have to experience it to actually understand what's meant by it. Lol... ;D

What happens, is that they glide so well, you get lulled in to thinking you'll go forever, but unlike other wings that when you slow down in a glide that just start to lose altitude and you know it's time to give 'em a little pump to get back up and gliding again...the HPS wings glide effortlessly, but when they start to slow down to their higher stall speed, they tell you by simple falling off plane, accompanied with a subsequent face plant. :o

The first time it happens you think you breached, but after the second time you realize you're not breaching, but rather that the wing is stalling from full height, and that you just have to keep the gas pedal pressed. Now the good thing about them and that, is that because they're so fast and glide so well once you get them going, you don't have to be too aggressive with your pumping ("less is more" really), and so the tendency to actually breach them is far less then with other LA wings.

So I guess I'm saying that their "downside" for some, is that they're not like other lower aspect wings, and take a bit of getting used to the first couple of times out...and that some folks get freaked out by the "pause and release", their higher stall speed, and their higher speed overall....thinking they can just go out and ride them like their old slower wings, which is not the case at all. 

Hope that helps you get a better understanding of the differences between the HPS wings, and the 860 and 900 that were the initial question(s) wrt this thread. So if you want to drive a Ferrari and get the most out it, the HPS wings are for you (hence the "High Performance" in the name), but if you're more of an Audi or Mercedes driver, than the BCS or PNG series might be a better choice of wings for you.

« Last Edit: March 14, 2021, 09:54:45 AM by Califoilia »
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Re: Axis 860 vs 900
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2021, 10:46:36 AM »
Thank you for the detailed response...really appreciate the thought that went into it!  I never noticed the stickiness thing with the 1010 or 910 but definitely donít like the quick liftoff on takeoff. I used to have an Armstrong 1600 and everything I bought for it was to make the initial liftoff gentler.  :o

Is the stall speed on the 1050 really much higher?  Or can you adjust to it after a few sessions?  Iím after slow, weak, mushy off season waves so anything that can help extract energy from them would be helpful. If itís bigger, the 910 works for me in anything from about waist high to shoulder high. Anything bigger and Iím on the inside catching whitewash. ;D

 


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