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Re: Realising you have gone too small and in doing so- lost the magic of sup
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2020, 07:02:35 AM »
If you really want glide and turn blown out everyday crap into amazing conditions, start foiling. Its like being reborn into a better world. I sup occasionally these days and I hear what you are saying about the magic being lost. I think many zoners went through the same "evolution". I love my Colin Mcphilips 9'6" X 28". It's a longboard shape. Happy board hunting!

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Re: Realising you have gone too small and in doing so- lost the magic of sup
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2020, 07:19:16 AM »

Must be this particular board. For sure not the volume. I am 6’4 106kg and at least two decades older than you. My go to board for small waves is 8’4 x 30 x 120 liters custom. Can catch anything over and including knee high. Don’t look at the volume. Get the right shape. My bigger wave boards are higher volume but different shape.

that does sound a nice board! At 30" wide it probably is quite stable actually. There are boards of that sort of dimension here which could work. I would happily trade a bit of width for some extra length to give me a bit more glide- but that movement to a longer board with more volume is def moving in the right direction for me :)

Since you mentioned Starboard, I also have Starboard Pro 8'10x29x130. A very nice board but requires a little bit better waves to appreciate it. I use it when the waves are waist or better.



« Last Edit: November 15, 2020, 07:20:55 AM by BigZ »

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Re: Realising you have gone too small and in doing so- lost the magic of sup
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2020, 07:24:02 AM »
Sunova Steeze is a great all around board. Itís got glide, stability, turnability, and versatility! In bigger waves I run my as a 2+1 with a smaller center. In smaller waves I run it as a single. There is a 8í10 x 30 @125L version. https://sunovasurfboards.com/en/sup/sup-surfing/steeze

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Re: Realising you have gone too small and in doing so- lost the magic of sup
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2020, 11:23:58 AM »
Hey devon_sup_surf,

You had mentioned in my thread on that 2019 Naish that you regretted going to small, so I am reading this entire post and looking up all of the boards others mention. Not sure if you decided on anything yet, but I like the guy who suggested to consider SUP foiling instead, as a way to have fun in crappy surf. I'm thinking along the same lines also, and 2 friends who are just gettting into foiling: one with a Blue Planet SUP surf foil, and one with Slingshot 3-in-1 foil (SUP surf, free wing, windsurf foiling). I've also researching boards that I could throw my fins on and use a Surf SUP on really good days (albeit a very short and boxy one), and stick a foil on during crappy days, such as the Starboard HyperNut 4-in-1. If I'm serious I'll need to stop foilin' around and go check out the foiling forum.. :)
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Re: Realising you have gone too small and in doing so- lost the magic of sup
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2020, 08:12:26 PM »
I'll just add my •2 about my journey with size.

I'm 51, 5'10" and 185lbs. Started on the surf stuff three years ago at 10'x32"x160L, and ended up down at 8'x28'100L. Small boards were great in that they start to get back to that "shortboard-ish" feel.

Found that I'm just not into the knee-wrecking snaps anymore, and wondering what I'm doing paddling around digging myself out of a hole the whole time. Spending more time in the water than out of it when it gets some heavy movement, and just all around not having a very good time.

So I settled on more of what SUP feels like it's about to me. Being able to stand around and see the outside, regardless of how bad the conditions are instead of sitting around and popping up when a wave shows. Glide forever on the tiniest bumps. Longer, drawn-out carving turns, floaters, and surfing that has more flow in it than skate tricks.

I have two boards that I love, and future boards will all be around the same. 10'x28"x127L long board. Super stable, even at 28" wide. 8'8"x31"x120L rounded-pointy nose if it's too heavy for the long board, or the chop is crazy. 


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Re: Realising you have gone too small and in doing so- lost the magic of sup
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2020, 10:46:58 PM »
I've been fortunate enough to have tried / demo'd / borrowed / owned /and shaped a lot of different sup surfboards. Started with huge and went down to totally under water. I had been thinking about shaping a short wide tail for a number of years. Even have the blank in my shop. Drew probably 5 or 6 versions in Shape3D. Then about two years ago right around my birthday this 8'8 x 32 x 140l  L41 ST custom pops up on CL. Great price, so I took a chance. Bingo!, Yahtzee!, Winner winner chicken dinner........
So happy with this board in all conditions. It rips, slides, cuts back, everything I want it to do. Just enough volume for my 230 lbs, just wide enough to not get worn out in the chop, and short enough to throw it around like a short board. And well made, light and it flexes. Check check check.
I'm currently not looking for a new board, nor do I feel in search of a new board. That doesn't sound right... but it's the truth. I found the Magic.   
« Last Edit: December 14, 2020, 10:48:49 PM by TallDude »
It's not overhead to me!
8'8" L-41 ST and a whole pile of boards I rarely use.

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Re: Realising you have gone too small and in doing so- lost the magic of sup
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2020, 08:30:54 AM »
L41s are indeed magical and do everything well except permitting me to stand around in chop waiting for a wave. I gave up on smaller boards when my creaky knee (much better since I lost 20 or 30 pounds) meant I need to stand for entire sessions. Like a fat guy dancing: By the time I wallow to my feet the song is over. Big foil boards are the answer for me, big meaning 6'4" X 32".

I brought my thoroughly mauled Foote 10'4" with me and I've been using it lately in the weird surf SoCal is having. It's once again proven to be one of the best and easiest boards to SUP surf. Another simply magical board.

A shortboard surfer complimented me yesterday (!!) saying "man you really rip it up on that huge board". I was pleased to use a Dave Kalama line: "It's the sneakers". It really is. This board makes me look good. I can stagger towards the nose and still turn it easily and predictably, and from the tail, it pivots like it's less than nine feet. Foote magic. I still don't really know how he did that. I have a 9' board from Bill that's super surfy, and the 10'4 actually turns harder.

I tried the 10' production board that is supposed to be the same shape, and it was a little more agile but a lot less stable. Not the kind of tradeoff a geezer wants to make. It also glides like crazy when I pull the thrusters off. My afternoon was eFoiling on mission bay when the surf got blown out (not quite enough to wingfoil--but too much for reasonable surfing) and then I popped out the thrusters and went for a flatwater exercise paddle. Remarkable how fast that thing is. It's not in the same realm as the ancient 12'2" Ku Nalu/Starboard, but damned fast. 
« Last Edit: December 15, 2020, 08:39:18 AM by PonoBill »
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: Realising you have gone too small and in doing so- lost the magic of sup
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2020, 05:49:16 AM »
I think dropping volume below your comfort is a right of passage in SUP and then we realize it's just not as much fun fighting stability for two hours. I picked up an 8'11 Shroom last year and have used my Apple watch to compare it to my Creek and Blue Planet Turbo over this year.  Of my three boards, my Shroom is the most stable by far. I pretty much surf the same three breaks. My wave count, avg. speed, and avg distance are all higher on the Shroom. It doesn't like steep waves, it outruns bigger waves and doesn't turn as well as my other boards (all though it turns well) but it is super stable, catches anything, is nimble and tons of fun.  My greatest top-end speed and greatest distance come from my Creek but I also surf it on the better days. When it's "on" I will choose performance but on most days give me stability and fun!

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Re: Realising you have gone too small and in doing so- lost the magic of sup
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2020, 01:04:30 PM »
I want to return to the things that I loved about SUP:
high wave count
glide
sufficient stability to paddle for 2-3 hours even in chop with occasional sitting
ability to cruise the line up

In my head- something around 9' 29" and 125-135L sounds a nice balance. A decent performance rail and tail
I think your ballpark of 9' sounds reasonable.  I think your ballpark of 29" sounds reasonable, but if the rail is nice and thin I wouldn't worry about going wider.  Your literage gives you a guild factor of (gf) = 1.32-1.42, which is reasonable for performance.
When I think of: high wave count, glide, stable, cruise the lineup, what comes to mind is a longboard.
Here are some boards to consider:
Deep Dogman 10'2" x 29" x 4 3/8" 146L gf=1.53
Genration Kanga 9' x 31.75" 142.5L gf=1.5
Infinity New Deal 9'6" x 31 141L gf=1.48
BluePlanet Fun Stick 9'4" x 33" 140L gf=1.47
BluePlanet Sweet Spot 9'2" x 32" 140L gf=1.47
Infinity New Deal 10' x 29" 139L gf=1.46
Genration SP25 8'8" x 31 5/16" 137.7L gf=1.45

Starboard Pro 8'7" x 29.5" 135L gf=1.42
Deep Jackson Close 10'1" x 30" x 4" 133L gf=1.4
Genration Kanga 8'9" x 30 7/8" 130.9L gf=1.38
Genration SP25 8'5" x 30 7/16" 126.2L gf=1.33
BluePlanet All Good 8'8" x 31" 126L gf=1.33
Starboard Longboard 10' x 29" 123L gf=1.29
Sunova?  Perhaps Creek can chime in on Sunova boards he would recommend.
Links:
https://genration.com/collections/sup/products/
https://www.deepoceanboards.com/
https://infinity-sup.com/collections/sup-surf/products/the-new-deal-1?
https://sup.star-board.com/paddle-board/hard-paddle-board/
https://www.blueplanetsurf.com/sups/surf-sups/

I have 119-129L L41 boards (gf=1.29-1.4), but I prefer them in clean summer shortboard conditions.  I often go out fresh on L41s, then switch to a bigger board if I get tired.  For me, I don't think I will drop any more in volume unless there is a foil underneath. 
Out of the brands listed, I've tried BluePlanet and Starboard.  BluePlanet boards are fun and would satisfy most if not all of your criteria.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2020, 01:52:19 PM by sflinux »
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Re: Realising you have gone too small and in doing so- lost the magic of sup
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2020, 03:36:48 PM »
A new contender for you. New size for this shape. Seems like a very good balance between performance and fun while keeping the SUP "feel"
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Re: Realising you have gone too small and in doing so- lost the magic of sup
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2020, 06:33:31 PM »
A new contender for you. New size for this shape. Seems like a very good balance between performance and fun while keeping the SUP "feel"

More modestly, I got the 10' x 31" Steeze. Now I ama waiting improvement regarding travel within our province to go and try it in Tofino.....
Naish Maliko 14' x 26" 273L
Sunova Torpedo 14'x27" 286L
Naish Nalu 11'4" x 30" 180L
Sunova Steeze 10' x 31" 150L
 *Salish 460 & 500, Viento 520

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I just got a Sunova Kanga, and love it. super easy to catch waves and turns on a dime. rides like a regular surfboard. Love it
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@supnsurf: thanks for sharing.  What size did you get?
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Ok someone needs to be the contrarian. I am having more fun at age 60 on my 7'10 supertech than i have ever had on my longer boards.
more work yes. More falls yes. But the action on the wave makes it all worthwhile. at least for now. and in many ways the board feels more forgiving.


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@sflinux, I went with the 9'3". love it   
Rawson 8'8" Impala


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