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Wing foil board for learning
« on: October 08, 2020, 11:03:16 PM »
So thinking its time to see what all the hype is about.
 I am 80kgs and a friend is 72kgs.
 We can learn behind a boat then move to the wing.
 Lots of good info on here.
 By the sounds I want to keep it as short as possible. Lots of volume. Big beveled edges. But whats too short to learn on?
 I am thinking just a quick build as we will move to something smaller pretty quick(hopefully) by the sound of it.
 Keep it pretty simple. Flat bottom,maybe slight V.
 Any ideas of a rough size and volume would be appreciated. Any ideas of what to do or not do.
 I have 2 big pieces of foam from blanks and some 2,3 and 5mm HD foam. 2 stingers either side of foilbox and foil box all the way through from what I can see on other builds. I am thinking all cork deck, as I have plenty!
 Has to be easier than building another hollow 14ft board too!

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Re: Wing foil board for learning
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2020, 11:39:04 PM »
Hey man, I did the same. Check out my foil sup build. I vote make it easy. You can build another once youíre comfortable.

Iím 63kg I went 6í4Ē x 28Ē x 4Ē. Flat bottom, slight bevel on rails. But I now know I could have gone simpler even.

 I think my step down will be a foot shorter and 26Ē wide. But thatís because I want to SUP it too. Thinking of seeing if the Gong HIPE shape works. Even less detail than my SUP.

When I settle on a wing-only board (when Iím really comfortable) Iíll bet Iím down to under 5í and 24Ē wide.

Go big. Itís hard enough. On my board I can stand up, lift the wing, and go. One less thing to flail with.

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Re: Wing foil board for learning
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2020, 12:46:40 AM »
Yes your build thread is helpful.
 You are only 63kgs though! I am thinking I might need something with more volume.
 Maybe go big as you said to make learning easy and cut it down later or hand it on.

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Re: Wing foil board for learning
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2020, 12:47:59 AM »
I would say shorter than about 5'8" would be harder to learn on. The pitch stability on your knees in any amount of chop gets tricky.

I learned on the 6'11" Fanatic (142 liters) which made it super easy. Like cowboy says, it's really nice to be able to just stand up and then pick the wing up at first.

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Re: Wing foil board for learning
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2020, 01:35:45 AM »
I was thinking around 6 ft.
 Crazy idea! The expensive part is all the hardware.  Make a central part of the board that has the boxes handle etc. The 2 stringers that go either side of the foilbox would be the sides. Once we have learnt I can just cut the rails off and glue some new foam on to make a narrower board. Also cut it shorter. Seems a pity and expensive to just make a learning board then bin it or give it away. I am running out of storage space!

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Re: Wing foil board for learning
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2020, 05:38:26 AM »
Take a look at my build thread: https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,36195.0.html
I'm a little heavier than you. This design is very stable at 6'3x28.5"x5 @ 129L. Can just stand on it and start winging in up to 1ft chop.
It does feel like a lot of board for winging though.

If I was going for a wing foil board only I would go with 6' but wide, 30" or so and probably 110L, to make it easier in heavier chop.
I found that the center ridge for precise foot positioning made it easier to get more stable.
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2020, 08:43:42 AM »
I ll say that they used market here is strong. You can at least get your materials cost back if you sell it. Thatís why Iím moving down so quickly.

And you likely can keep similar dimensions if you just go thicker. Iíd agree with no shorter that high 5ís but also I might offer, as was said that too long is a problem.

If you can get the width and thickness you want Iíd say that no more than 6í6Ē in length is doable for the first week and then not too limiting for the first couple of months. But yeah, Iím barely getting on foil now but I can already see that I need to start a new build.

One note on the box install. Charlie at Grey Paddleboards makes pretty cheap inserts. After doing my stringer mount on one board and doing one with his insert tied to the deck with HD foam on another,  I sort of feel like the insert is worth the money for the time saved. Again, Iím smaller but with 3 layers of glass/carbon over it and a long router bit, itís hard to beat the simplicity of that install. Though I might try one more stringer mount to see if I can simplify it. I will 100% back it with HD foam to the deck this time however. Bottom to deck is key for me.

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Re: Wing foil board for learning
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2020, 08:59:11 AM »
I was thinking around 6 ft.
 Crazy idea! The expensive part is all the hardware.  Make a central part of the board that has the boxes handle etc. The 2 stringers that go either side of the foilbox would be the sides. Once we have learnt I can just cut the rails off and glue some new foam on to make a narrower board. Also cut it shorter. Seems a pity and expensive to just make a learning board then bin it or give it away. I am running out of storage space!

Not crazy, it's an idea I've been mulling for about a year--I should get off my ass and do it. My thought is to build a foam/carbon box about 12" wide and 36" long that has strap inserts and a handle on one side, and tracks and a handle on the other. Shape a board in closed cell foam. Cut out for the box and gorrilla glue in place. Then a very light schedule over the whole mess. Cheap and quick to build the board, the box is the only critical bit, and it's feasible since the area we actually stand on is small--from a little behind the mast to about two feet in front of it and our feet are close to the centerline of the board. I think almost every boardmaker has already seen the potential for an idea like this, and they're just figuring out what form of some similar notion would work best. Gong certainly sees the potential. I think as soon as you look at an insert for tracks that goes from the top deck to the bottom the wheels start turning. The only problem is the same one that prefab track inserts have--the board thickness is set by the insert. Really, the answer to that is simple--pick a reasonable thickness for the thinnest board you'd want to make. For anything thicker, just make it a tunnel hull. That helps with going straight anyway.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2020, 09:05:03 AM by PonoBill »
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: Wing foil board for learning
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2020, 11:15:06 AM »
Can you demo or borrow a board for an hour?

It only took me about 5 minutes on a low volume board before I was cursing and loathing all things wing.
Then another 5 minutes on a higher volume board and I was stoked on this new wing foiling adventure and able to get winging.
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Re: Wing foil board for learning
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2020, 11:46:40 AM »
No I can't demo a board. Probably could if I drive 2 hrs.
 How much do you weigh? What do you call low volume ?

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Re: Wing foil board for learning
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2020, 07:10:43 PM »
At my weight (215) my Flying Dutchman 6'6"X32" probably 130L--is easy money, stable, light, no worries. I bought a Fanatic Sky Wing 5'8" X 28" that was 95L (the new ones are 110L) and it was just a recipe for suffering. I sold it on quickly. Then I bought a SIC 6'0" X 28.5" 104L -- better for me than the Fanatic, but still a pain in the ass to balance on while kneeling. I can do it, but it takes concentration and care. Probably if I got rid of the Flying Dutchman I could get comfortable on the smaller SIC, but I'd suffer, and the bigger board is painless.

Once I'm up I REALLY like the shorter board, but getting up on it in a pain in the ass. My next board will be under 6 feet, but 31 or 32 wide and thick enough to be 120L. Probably a deep channel.

I think the progression with shorter boards is faster, but I don't think that another few inches of width matter, and cerainly another half-inch of thickness is meaningless. I want a 12-13 pound board that I can kneel on without thinking about it. And when I stand up I don't want to see much in front of my toes.

I'm going to lose another ten or fifteeen pounds, but I have learned that losing weight doesn't suddenly make you better at foiling. It happens so slowly that you never experience some big epiphany. The weenie kids that weigh under a hundred pounds with the flexibility of Gumby have a lot of things going for them, but that means nothing to me. I'm not going to be there--I never was. I weighed 260 when I was fifteen. I got down to 212 when I was 16 and discovered motorcycles, but I've never been a flexible, short, athletic lightweight. That means I've always adapted gear to what I am, and unfortunately I've always been attracted to sports that suit lighter, smaller people.

No problem, but the answer to the OP question is, you need a board that you can stand up on for the first few weeks. After that, everything changes. Unfortunately, you absolutely need that board at first. Anything else is just too hard, and it teaches you all the wrong things. I've watched people who bought a board they'd love in a month give up on the sport, because they weren't there yet.

There a guy spending the summer and part of the fall here in Hood River named Felix--he's about my size, hell of an athelete and a very good kitesurfer, but he wants to learn to wing foil. He doesn't want to buy that stupid big board, so he's been trying hard on dinky boards--since August. He borrowed my Flying Dutchman for one day back in late August and ever since I can tell he really wants to ask again. I should be a mensch and just let him use it, but it seems every time I see him the wind is good and I want to use it. He needs a week with my board or one this size and he'd be off and flying, but instead he's flailing.

However you manage to do it, get a board that's big enough and get started. And then go from there.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2020, 07:14:57 PM by PonoBill »
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: Wing foil board for learning
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2020, 09:57:48 PM »
Yes I was watching a guy learning on a small board last weekend. He was struggling even on his knees. I was thinking, that dosnt look fun.
 I was thinking something simple and that board burchas  built looks like what I was thinking. In about 6'X30, he thinks and is about what I was thinking. I will get the foam out today and take some pics. Its the top and bottom bits cut of a block for a 12 ft sup. When they transport them they tape it all back together to protect the CNC blank.
 So I think the idea of trying to keep the central part of the board is a good one. Then just cut it down or cut it out totally and build a new one around it.
 Maybe some sort of system where the central part is interchangeabile between boards could be an option for the future.
 Burchas,how long did that blank take to CNC. That bit looks very small!
 Thanks again everyone.

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Re: Wing foil board for learning
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2020, 12:37:37 AM »
If I glue these together I get 4.5 inches thick at the thickest point. 1.5 inches of rocker at the nose. The top sheet is exactly 30". It was meant to be.
 Should the mid section could be flatter?
 I think it will work though.
 You can just see a vertical line on the bottom sheet. From there to the blue line on the nose is 6 ft.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2020, 01:08:17 AM by tarquin »

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Re: Wing foil board for learning
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2020, 11:07:31 AM »
No I can't demo a board. Probably could if I drive 2 hrs.
 How much do you weigh? What do you call low volume ?

Drive 2 hours, it's way faster than spending days/weeks/months flailing on the wrong board...

I weigh 200lbs, I tried 70L up to 180L.
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Re: Wing foil board for learning
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2020, 08:40:40 PM »
I think I can get better advice here to be honest. There is no way I am paying 1000+ euros for a board either. So don't wont to waste their time.
 I talked with the guy I am going to share the foil with last night. He has had some lessons and tried a few boards. He said dont go under 100 l.
 He likes the idea of keeping the central part.

 


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