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Mike dubs

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Size down from Moses 790
« on: September 04, 2020, 01:14:58 AM »
Hi guys,

Following on from another post I did.

Iím riding my 790 mainly now and my 1100 only when thereís no wind.

So my question is when Iím fully powered 4.5/3.5 weather what front foil smaller do I need to get? 679 or something else?

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Mike

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Re: Size down from Moses 790
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2020, 06:26:12 AM »
Why do you think you need a smaller front wing? Whatís the goal?

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Re: Size down from Moses 790
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2020, 06:54:28 AM »
I also had the same problem:
Compared to the 790 Moses (which i love and make me progress a lot)  i was looking for a faster wing.. but i did not find anything on the Mosesí catalogue since the W1000 and W800 looks to radical for me and they told me they are not good for wave riding (even Kai use it for that but he can ride anything). So i followed Mr. Dwightís advice ;)

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Re: Size down from Moses 790
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2020, 08:37:01 AM »
OBX I want a smaller wing than the 790 for when Iím really powered in chop and I feel the 790 is too much foil, plus I like going fast.

Moses do need more mid/small size foils for Wingfoiling, so hopefully theyíre watching all the other companies.

Admin, mentioned some guy using a 679 foil at 80kg and liking it.
So just looking for some feedback.

Mike




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Re: Size down from Moses 790
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2020, 10:33:08 AM »
OBX I want a smaller wing than the 790 for when Iím really powered in chop and I feel the 790 is too much foil, plus I like going fast.

Moses do need more mid/small size foils for Wingfoiling, so hopefully theyíre watching all the other companies.

Admin, mentioned some guy using a 679 foil at 80kg and liking it.
So just looking for some feedback.

Mike

Guess thatís a plan. Youíre top speed will certainly go up, as well as your stall speed and the speed needed to pump up on the foil. Iím assuming there is a law of diminishing returns for that upper end speed. The one time I see speed as really important are prone foilers trying to keep up with a fast moving wave, or the good ole speed junkies!  Good luck :)

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Re: Size down from Moses 790
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2020, 07:13:21 PM »
It would be handy if there were some way to cross-reference lift amount, but there really isn't. My goto foil right now is the Axis 860 which is 1212 CM projected area, but I'd guess it has a fairly high foil coefficient. I'm 214# as of this morning, and it's plenty of foil for me if the wind is good. I was up on it with a 3.5 F-one today but the wind was 30mph gusting to near 40. With a big wing I can get it up in 15+ wind, but it's less fun.

To whatever degree area is a good indicator of lift (not likely) the 790 looks huge to me, it's 1550 cm. My downwind/super light wind foils are the 101 at 1430 and the 1000 at 1310. The 679 is 990CM, which is quite a jump, but if you have wind for it and you're light enough, it's probably worth a try.


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Mike dubs

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Re: Size down from Moses 790
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2020, 02:58:52 AM »
Thanks guys.

I checked with Gunnar, he thinks I should go to W800 , only 800 cm surface area but he says has loads of lift, stable and doesnít feel turbulence. Might need a bit more pumping, but when Iím well powered it shouldnít be a problem.

Weíll see👍

Mike

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Re: Size down from Moses 790
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2020, 07:59:15 AM »
Does the W800 (and W1000) work with the same fuselage as the 790?  I was under the impression these race foils worked with the long race fuselage.  There is someone on a different forum who is using the W1000 and claims that he loves it for winging but not for kiting (for which I think it was designed).  He says the W1000 has a ton of lift so I would think the W800 should be good to go as a winging foil.  I'm looking into these foils myself.

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Re: Size down from Moses 790
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2020, 09:08:45 AM »
No you need a different fuselage.

I contacted Gunnar, who said get W800, said it was great but needed different fuselage.

I also contacted Balz, who actually said I should get the 720. He said although small it lifts as well as the 800 and is really fast, he told me he clocked 50kph on it. It fits on same fuselage as 790 and cuts through chop turbulence.

So will get that with 420/421 stab. So my foil quiver will be W1100 for v light wind and no chop, 790 for most things and 720 for well powered, choppy days.

Mike

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Re: Size down from Moses 790
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2020, 10:29:39 AM »
I tried yesterday the w800. I confirm it needs a different fuselage
Conditions : 20/25 knots
The foil is so FAST! and very stable but i was ecpecting more glide, When the glide ends it goes immediately down like a stone (but hey the foil is really small) and i did not like the tremble at high speed i felt on the stab 470 i used.
Maybe i should use a different stab.

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Re: Size down from Moses 790
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2020, 06:28:17 AM »
According to Balz Muller, Moses will soon be releasing a 1000 foil wing for free style, which I suspect will look and ride somewhat like its 720 but with more lift.

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Re: Size down from Moses 790
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2020, 08:57:20 AM »
I contacted Balz who was super helpful. I sold my W1100 as just didnít need it as I can get my 790 going early. He recommended the 720 which I got and used yesterday. Tiny wing but got going with couple of extra pumps on a decently powered 4.5. Fast and very lively, will need a few sessions to get used to it, but looks like a great foil for powered/ choppy days👍Mike

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Re: Size down from Moses 790
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2020, 12:17:27 PM »
Did he mention the new 1000 free style wing?  What do you weigh and what length of mast are you using?

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Re: Size down from Moses 790
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2020, 12:40:23 PM »
He said something was coming between 1100 and 790 but didnít elaborate. I weigh 75kg and use 82cm mast, 710 fuse, a 483 stab but getting 450 to use with my 790 and 720. Mike

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Re: Size down from Moses 790
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2020, 09:00:11 PM »
Hey Moses Wing Gang!

This forum helped me so much the past year as I was trying to decide what gear to buy. COVID and gear scarcity in May changed my mind from Axis to Moses. Got a decent deal on W1100 and 790 and a demo Fanatic 5ft4.

DROVE TO THE gorge from Utah and really learned trial by fire style. The W1100 is a great tool light wind but actually very controllable in 25 knots even in Hatchery swell. 790 is dreamy smooth but SOMETIMES seems a bit slow.
Since my goal was to have just ONE MAST/FUSE setup for winging and kite foiling... I tried to kite with the 790 but even shimmed and with extra holes drilled in the carbon mast baseplate WAY TO MUCH lift for kiting.. So found a used /repaired 679 and bought.

Today... Now visiting family in Virginia.. Went to the ocean cause its blowing stink from Hurricane Teddy pulling the polar wind down.. Brrr... I was using my f1 4.2 and the 790 and kept breaching while gliding down the large swells so decided to FINALLY try the 679 for WING.

I thought I'd need help to plane off with such smaller surface area so moved mast forward.. MISTAKE!

This foil obviously wants Power and speed to lift... But since it was a gusty 20-25 knots I HAD those ingredients.. So the speed was definitely HIGHER but the lift generated seemed WAY MORE than the 790! Not really sure why..?? Is the foil itself angled somehow different (more bite/lift) then the 790?

Really had to I put feet very far forward... Too tired to go in and walk back to the car to get tools to slide mast backwards(aft)... So just rode forward on the board for my last hour... But I can attest that for my 85 kilos with the 4.2...the 679 gets up fairly easy in 20 knots and it's obviously way faster /looser/rises up to breach crazy fast with gusts /big waves/carvy/tippy/fun.

Can't wait to try with mast 3/4 back.. Maybe will shim the stab a bit as I ONLY have the 450 right now and I think that's contributing to the crazy lift with higher speed.

Can anyone suggest a smaller moses stab for the surf fuse that can work with 790 and 679?

Awesome day today though!
I thought knee starts were tough @ Rufus and the Hatch but... Holy Dawg!

The Atlantic Ocean during a storm was WAY WAY tougher! I think I could actually now go the full 8 seconds on a mechanical BULL after today's practice!

Gonna start wearing my spurs to the wing foiling sessions from now on.

Go big or go home!
Kyro Joe

 


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