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bigmtn

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Axis foil combos for winging
« on: September 02, 2020, 10:03:36 PM »
I've been trying a bunch of different axis front wings while winging lately, and I'm going to start switching up the stabs too. Since there are a lot of axis riders here, (that axis thread is crazy long) I'm curious which combos you like best for winging for which conditions. (Please include your weight.)

170lbs, I've only been using the 390 stab and short fuse.
15-20+ I really enjoy the 900, and if there are waves/swell the 760.

15 or less I mostly stay on the 920, but had a lot of fun on my neighbors 1010 the other day, as well as the 1000 once I get it up on foil.

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Re: Axis foil combos for winging
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2020, 07:01:07 AM »
215#, I like the 860 with a 440 tail shimmed to 3 degrees. Anytime there's enough wind for me to get that up I'm on it. If the wind is a bit soft I like the 1000--I have it set up on the ultrashort fuse with a 390. If it's around 10 mph or I'm going to downwind I'm on the 1150 with standard fuse and a 340.

the combinations of wing and fuselage are a result of me being lazy--I have three fuselages (std, short, ultrashort) and three stabilizers (440, 390,340) and five wings (860, 900, 1000, 1010, 1150). I leave the fuselages set up so I can switch easily.
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Re: Axis foil combos for winging
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2020, 07:48:51 AM »
We are down to the 760 and 860.  Both are great with the 390 tail.  I have tried ultra short, short and standard fuselages on both of these now.  Short works really well on both.  Standard is a little better for me on the 760.  The ultra short didn't add anything but wanted a frenetic pump that seemed less productive than the Short.  I tried shimming the 390 up and down a degree (not really to solve a problem but just to see how it was).  Neither improved over the stock angle for me. 

We had used the other tails (340, 370, 400, 440, 460 and 500) on the other Axis wings (1020, 920, 820, 1010, 1000 and 900).  This was kind of a process as we downsized foils and we shed the bigger tails as we went along.  When we got to the 1000 and 900 we were using mostly the 400 and 370 but we only really started to love those with the 390 tail.  At that point we sold off all of the other tails.  I haven't tried any tails other than the 390 with the 760 or 860. 

I am 175 lbs and Chan is 115.  We are sharing these two wings for all conditions from 10 to crazy.  They are both really fun combos.  That size range seems to be the do it all range for me.  1200 to 1300 cm sq.  With a slick mast and the right tail these combos let you use smaller (air) wings in light wind and the glide is awesome.  The 760, 860, 900 and 910 (never tried it) are all in that size range. 

It will be interesting to see if Axis does some fronts like the 760 and 860 but without the double concave.

« Last Edit: September 03, 2020, 07:50:38 AM by Admin »

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Re: Axis foil combos for winging
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2020, 08:39:18 AM »

"It will be interesting to see if Axis does some fronts like the 760 and 860 but without the double concave."

Have you tried the old original surf wings: 750 and 820?


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Re: Axis foil combos for winging
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2020, 12:31:10 PM »
Have you tried the old original surf wings: 750 and 820?

Yes, the 820 was one of our original wings.  It is a pretty thick wing with more area, a longer chord and a lot more volume than the 860 for instance.  I could see it being fun for surfing with constant push from a wave but it never really established itself as favorite for me as I only foil with a wing.  It drags way more than the 900, 860 or 760. 

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Re: Axis foil combos for winging
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2020, 05:11:46 PM »
I definitely could see them coming up with an 810 or smaller cousin to the 910 HA /glide series... think that would definitely have a place surfing and winging.

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Re: Axis foil combos for winging
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2020, 05:21:04 PM »
That would be interesting.  Have you tried the 910?

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Re: Axis foil combos for winging
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2020, 05:28:29 PM »
245 lbs. I like the 1150, 460 stab and standard fuse in all wind conditions from 7m to 3.6m. The efficiency/glide of the 1150 is amazing in light wind and in heavy wind/big swell the flagged out downwind swell rides go on forever.

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Re: Axis foil combos for winging
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2020, 05:51:12 PM »
I've already asked about a 700/710 for prone surfing. I think it'll get here eventually.

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Re: Axis foil combos for winging
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2020, 07:23:53 PM »
I spent about 1/2 hour on the 910 prone surfing. I really liked it.  Smooth wing. Compared to the 900, felt to me like a little less initial lift, better glide... was surprised that it actually felt like it turned better than the 900. Was only on it a short time in pretty marginal high tide conditions... would like one eventually, but the difference from the 900 wasn't so dramatic I felt like I had to get one tomorrow. I'd be all over a smaller version as an everyday driver for prone.

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Re: Axis foil combos for winging
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2020, 12:43:39 PM »
245 lbs. I like the 1150, 460 stab and standard fuse in all wind conditions from 7m to 3.6m. The efficiency/glide of the 1150 is amazing in light wind and in heavy wind/big swell the flagged out downwind swell rides go on forever.

I am 190 lbs, an advanced-beginner to intermediate wing foiler. I wing to ride swell and while I have just started to get this dialed a bit, I am hooked and it is all I want to do.  I use the 1020 front, 500 stab with standard fuse on a 65 cm fuselage (Project Cedrus) - my beginner setup  While I want a more turny front wing (maybe the 1000, 920 or some others discussed in this thread), I could not resist the 1150 for downwind glide, light wind (and maybe SUP foiling). 1150 probably not going in the right direction for swell and wave riding under a wing but I have been intrigued by it.
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Re: Axis foil combos for winging
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2020, 01:36:46 PM »
Seems like lots of wing foilers above liked the 390 stab. I think Admin, Chan and bigmtn use the 390 exclusively, and PonoBill has it in his stab quiver where uses it with his 1000. 

Perhaps interesting that 390 was least favorite among 4 stabilizers (along with 340, 370 and 460) with 1150 front for carving in review by Foiling NY ALBEIT for a different application (so this may not be very relevant)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77CCHKhJwPU&t=92s

Foiling NY said 390 was "quite unstable for carving but amazing for tight gliding turns". Maybe this is why you all like it with the wing?

For carving during foil pumping he rated them 460, 370, 340 and 390 (best to worst). I think he rated the 460 because of how well it pumped (and carved). 
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Axis 1020; 65cm Project Cedrus carbon mast
6'6" CRUZ 'CIM' Foil SUP (130L)
Chinook Thrust 92 Paddle -- fixed 78" length
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Re: Axis foil combos for winging
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2020, 02:45:29 PM »
I used the 460 tail with the 900 and 760 yesterday winging. And honestly I can't say I noticed a huge difference. But the 760 maybe didn't feel quite as playful with the 460 as it did last time I used it with the 390.

Think I'm gonna try the 1000 with the 460 on the ultra short today.  Haha too many options!

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Re: Axis foil combos for winging
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2020, 02:21:55 AM »
I definitely could see them coming up with an 810 or smaller cousin to the 910 HA /glide series... think that would definitely have a place surfing and winging.

How about a 810/710/610 or 800/700/600 to complete a high speed series for winging and windsurf foiling?
« Last Edit: September 08, 2020, 02:33:21 AM by Lazz »

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Re: Axis foil combos for winging
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2020, 01:34:39 AM »
Seems like lots of wing foilers above liked the 390 stab. I think Admin, Chan and bigmtn use the 390 exclusively, and PonoBill has it in his stab quiver where uses it with his 1000. 

Perhaps interesting that 390 was least favorite among 4 stabilizers (along with 340, 370 and 460) with 1150 front for carving in review by Foiling NY ALBEIT for a different application (so this may not be very relevant)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77CCHKhJwPU&t=92s

Foiling NY said 390 was "quite unstable for carving but amazing for tight gliding turns". Maybe this is why you all like it with the wing?

For carving during foil pumping he rated them 460, 370, 340 and 390 (best to worst). I think he rated the 460 because of how well it pumped (and carved).

He may be looking for the opposite of what we are after.  What he is doing is really impressive but it looks like most of his pumping is happening just above his stall speed (maybe maxing at 8-10 MPH?).  It also sounds like what he is referring to as carving is banking a turn while pumping.    I could see wanting very different gear for that.  When I think carving I think snowboard, ski, longboard skateboard, surf or windsurf bottom turn carves.  Setting a super positive edge at speed and laying into it with confidence.  The better a foil combo will do that (and release) the better I think I would like it.  Now if it can manage all different turn shapes, not stall or waiver as it slows, accelerate quickly and have decent top end, well, there is your perfect winging foil :).

 


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