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Go Foil : Axis : Armstrong : Signature : Cloud IX: ??
« on: July 11, 2020, 12:13:57 PM »
Having been a Go Foil guy from the time they were one of the few shows in town, and fairly happy with their products for the most part...but over the past few years as others have entered the fray, it seems that Go Foil is becoming late to the party on a lot of things, and very "this or that" with their new products.

So I've been kicking around the idea of going to another brand that offers a more component based, interchangeable system, and would like to hear what others are finding they like, and why. Also those sticking with Go Foil, I'd like to hear from you also, and why you've decided to stick it out with them.

I'll start by saying what I like about Go Foil is the quality...in that I've smacked all the wings I've had on plenty of things out there (a couple of times at speed), and other than a nick here or there, the only time I've ever done any damage is when I basically cut a wing on I'm assuming a sharp rock as I flew over it since it didn't even throw me off the board, and just sliced the bottom of the wing on it flying into the beach...which was easily repairable, and flies like new again.

Want I'm not too wild about is what I'll just say lack of options wrt fuselage lengths, and until recently the lack of interchangeability with their components...which yes, they've now adapted to become a little more competitive with the others. I'm also not thrilled that it seems that you have a choice in wings of either glide/pump (GLs) or surf/turn (Kai, Iwa, Maliko) with no really "in between"...where some of the other brands seem to have a nice mix of "tweener" wings that surf/turn really nice, but also have some nice "pump-ability" to them. And yes, I know guys like Austin, Derek, and others can make them look all encompassing wings...but I'm taking the normal human being, and even those in the 50-60+ age bracket are doing with some of the other brands.

Love to hear other's thoughts, and recommendations of what they're liking and/or disliking with some of the other brands out there. Also, I'd like to keep it to a discussion wrt the wings use on SUPs (surfing, downwinding, or wingfoiling are all welcome), as that's what I'm looking to stay on, and IMO, there's a distinct difference in the usefulness of a particular wing on a prone board, compared to that of the same wing on a SUP...even a small SUP at that.

Those who have had Go Foils and other brands in their arsenal, I'd really like to hear from you on why you went from one to the other. But also looking forward to everyone's input wrt the various brands they're liking and/or not liking and for whatever reason(s)...TIA.
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Re: Go Foil : Axis : Armstrong : Signature : Cloud IX: ??
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2020, 01:16:53 PM »
My experience: Prone, 185#. Started on Naish, went to a used lift classic 200 setup, just bought a new Axis 900 setup.

Original Naish thrust, bought new, heavy, 1st generation, but modular, everything came apart. I bent the fuselage, but hey it's just metal so I got a hammer and bent it back. Rode it for almost a year afterwards. They changed the tail connection on the fuselage after that year.

Lift, light, one piece wing/fuselage is hard to travel with but only two screws! You can't travel right now anyway. The new High aspect wings look great. They now have front wing/tail wing separate so you can mix and match and take apart for travel. Looks similar to signature/unifoil but I've never seen those in real life. The mast does flex. You get used to it and learn to load it up like a flex fin in a longboard. I sort of liked that.

Axis, SO MANY SCREWS! I weigh it as 2 pounds heavier than the Lift setup on my home scale. So really not a difference. I've only ridden it twice now so don't have a real review yet. I have the 16mm mast, no flex in it that I've felt so far. High aspect wing is a cheat code for pumping out. Did my best pump out connection ever the first day riding it. It's not a surf wing and it's so much wider than I'm used to I keep getting into weird falls with it. However, I've also done the best frontside re-entry connection hitting the white water that I've done on a foil.

I'd probably be happier with the new 760, but that is just only now being reviewed, I didn't really know about it when I ordered 2 weeks ago.

I priced out the Lol Takuma 1300 before I bought the Axis because that's supposed to be a great surf wing that can still pump.

I went with Axis because (it was cheaper) I feel like they have a system I can build on. Then buying new front wings is only $650 +/- rather than $1500 to change to a different system. However, the lift wing I really liked and am not ready to sell yet.

I've never ridden GoFoil, but I have seen the prototype N190 and it looks to blend high aspect and surf wing that everyone is trying to do right now.

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Re: Go Foil : Axis : Armstrong : Signature : Cloud IX: ??
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2020, 05:49:13 PM »
Good question.

My approach is to ask what i want to foil and how?

Wave foiling anything above stomach high and my F4 1250 is the best wing I've flown.  I can't imagine ever selling it, and wish I had a 1500 and an 1100 in the same shape.  Probably seen Jason ripping around on that wing.

Wing foiling I've been trying a bunch of different foils.  So far the higher aspect stuff seems to be in the neighborhood of what will work best.  I'm very impressed with Axis build quality and component system, very well thought out.  And if something were to break or get lost parts seem easier to get.

The new cloud 9 wing looks interesting to me.
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Re: Go Foil : Axis : Armstrong : Signature : Cloud IX: ??
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2020, 12:04:19 PM »
Similar situation for me kinda as I have been a fan of GF for supfoiling specifically the Iwa and M200, didnít like the GL series had the 240&210 great glide and speed but for carving in the waves much preferred the older LA wings in surf perhaps itís my weight 225 but the GL was supposed to be the cats meow but for me didnít work good for me so sold em at a loss as usual.For me donít like the direction there heading at the moment super HA not my style IMO they need to work on a hybrid of the GL and the older LA wings then they have my interest, but still love the Iwa in good sized surf,great big guy wing! So enter the winging era learned on the GF M280 but it is a slug so I opted for a Axis 1020/500 and was really stoked on it great winging set up for me compared to the M280.Then I decided to get a Axis 920 wing for supfoiling and was pleasantly surprised as itís feels real good sorta a in between my Iwa and m200 kind of surprised me on the July 4th swell only had one session on it but was impressed so I will testing it out more, soon as we get some more swell,The thing I like about Axis they have so many options itís spins your wheels and there quality is real good for a aluminum product that mast friggin stiff doesnít have the flex that the GF has so currently pretty excited about Axis stuff ordered a 1150 for winging to get a tad more speed than the 1020,but the 1020 kicks ass, going to try it supfoiling one of these days on a small day,A lot of options Armstrong are real nice but Ferrari prices but sure like to try one! my 10 cents
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Re: Go Foil : Axis : Armstrong : Signature : Cloud IX: ??
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2020, 02:00:55 PM »
Similar situation for me kinda as I have been a fan of GF for supfoiling specifically the Iwa and M200, didnít like the GL series had the 240&210 great glide and speed but for carving in the waves much preferred the older LA wings in surf perhaps itís my weight 225 but the GL was supposed to be the cats meow but for me didnít work good for me so sold em at a loss as usual.For me donít like the direction there heading at the moment super HA not my style IMO they need to work on a hybrid of the GL and the older LA wings then they have my interest, but still love the Iwa in good sized surf,great big guy wing! So enter the winging era learned on the GF M280 but it is a slug so I opted for a Axis 1020/500 and was really stoked on it great winging set up for me compared to the M280.Then I decided to get a Axis 920 wing for supfoiling and was pleasantly surprised as itís feels real good sorta a in between my Iwa and m200 kind of surprised me on the July 4th swell only had one session on it but was impressed so I will testing it out more, soon as we get some more swell,The thing I like about Axis they have so many options itís spins your wheels and there quality is real good for a aluminum product that mast friggin stiff doesnít have the flex that the GF has so currently pretty excited about Axis stuff ordered a 1150 for winging to get a tad more speed than the 1020,but the 1020 kicks ass, going to try it supfoiling one of these days on a small day,A lot of options Armstrong are real nice but Ferrari prices but sure like to try one! my 10 cents

Huh, you know the 1150 rides like the GL wings. Not your style.....

Trust me, my taste matches yours.

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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2020, 03:23:35 PM »
I borrowed Admin's 1000 this morning after a somewhat frustrating session on my 1020/440. Not a foil issue, but the wind was light and flukey. I came in for a breather and saw Admin switching out his 1000 for a 900. He said he had a great session on the 1000 but wanted to try the 900, which sounded nuts to me. He offered to let me try his 1000 which is amazingly generous since he knows how hard I am on gear. His 1000 has one scratch on it.

I bolted it on, expecting to pump and struggle my way across the river without getting up--I think the 1000 is about 1300 sq cm and I was struggling with the 2400cm 1020, but I was surprised to be able to get the foil up to crazy speed on the surface (felt like no drag at all) and lift off fairly easily. Once I was up the morning suddenly turned golden. What a WING! The speed was stunning, but what is even more surprising is how effortless flying it is. Lots of glide, turns beautifully, and the acceleration was mind-blowing. I came much closer to completing switch foot jibes without touching down. I've been thinking the slower, high lift wings like the 1020 and 920 would make it easier to jibe. Wrong. I know I'm going to get there with a 1000. Unfortunately, that means it's going to be an expensive afternoon. I'm going to go for a 1000, 900, a 370 tail, an ultrashort fuse, and carbon mast. I have to remind myself that this is all cheaper than a typical weekend of racing cars, but I can only use that excuse so many times.
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Re: Go Foil : Axis : Armstrong : Signature : Cloud IX: ??
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2020, 04:37:47 PM »
Bill, I can sell you are like new 370 at half off if that is what you want, but I think you want the 390.  :)

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Re: Go Foil : Axis : Armstrong : Signature : Cloud IX: ??
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2020, 06:46:46 PM »
Looks like Axis has come out with a "crazy short" fuse as well, or at least I just noticed it, 58.5cm. Just starting to get used to the ultrashort on the shorter board. That upped the pitch sensitivity 5x, lots of touchdowns initially.

Sticking with my 1010 / 390 combo, ignorance is bliss. If I went smaller the 1000 might be a possibility but the 910 makes more sense. The 910 I'd want to try first and that won't likely happen for some time.

Still looking for the right day to bolt my Gong setup on...


Sano, you probably know my feelings about Go Foil already. Bottom line, I need more detailed information than they're offering. Axis prints every detail right on each wing and the 19mm mast is plenty stiff enough. The front wing connection to the fuse is a much stiffer system and the fuse design is significantly sleeker than the GF system.

I'm a sucker for carbon though but my Gong setup fills that need. As mentioned, only used it for kitefoiling so far but should be great for other foiling disciplines as well. The 100cm mast is beautifully built piece and they've three lines of wings at this point.

You do risk potential shipping screw ups and miscommunication though to get their stuff (as you well know ::)  )
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Re: Go Foil : Axis : Armstrong : Signature : Cloud IX: ??
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2020, 07:06:09 PM »
You've got to try the 1000 before you buy a 910. Holy shit, is it good. I might use the 1010 for downwind, and I bought a 1150 as part of my "let's go crazy" purchase with the hope that it magically makes it possible for me to SUP downwind, but I suspect I'll be spending a lot of time on the 1000 and probably the 900.
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2020, 07:07:05 PM »
Similar situation for me kinda as I have been a fan of GF for supfoiling specifically the Iwa and M200, didnít like the GL series had the 240&210 great glide and speed but for carving in the waves much preferred the older LA wings in surf perhaps itís my weight 225 but the GL was supposed to be the cats meow but for me didnít work good for me so sold em at a loss as usual.For me donít like the direction there heading at the moment super HA not my style IMO they need to work on a hybrid of the GL and the older LA wings then they have my interest, but still love the Iwa in good sized surf,great big guy wing! So enter the winging era learned on the GF M280 but it is a slug so I opted for a Axis 1020/500 and was really stoked on it great winging set up for me compared to the M280.Then I decided to get a Axis 920 wing for supfoiling and was pleasantly surprised as itís feels real good sorta a in between my Iwa and m200 kind of surprised me on the July 4th swell only had one session on it but was impressed so I will testing it out more, soon as we get some more swell,The thing I like about Axis they have so many options itís spins your wheels and there quality is real good for a aluminum product that mast friggin stiff doesnít have the flex that the GF has so currently pretty excited about Axis stuff ordered a 1150 for winging to get a tad more speed than the 1020,but the 1020 kicks ass, going to try it supfoiling one of these days on a small day,A lot of options Armstrong are real nice but Ferrari prices but sure like to try one! my 10 cents

Huh, you know the 1150 rides like the GL wings. Not your style.....

Trust me, my taste matches yours.
Definitely rolling the $800 dice here agree as hoping the 1150 for winging only,not supfoiling might work for me mowing the lawn winging,I know Im probably dreaming that a HA wing might work for me winging,just keeping my fingers crossed that maybe the 1150 might be my heavy weight friend to complement my 1020 which I really like ,and use the 1150 some days for a bit more higher range? being a Axis wing maybe be a better fit Lol,to me than the GF GL wings that I didnít like much at all probably the only odd ball on the planet that didnít like the the GL series,worse case donít like it sell it quickly
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2020, 07:13:49 PM »
Similar situation for me kinda as I have been a fan of GF for supfoiling specifically the Iwa and M200, didnít like the GL series had the 240&210 great glide and speed but for carving in the waves much preferred the older LA wings in surf perhaps itís my weight 225 but the GL was supposed to be the cats meow but for me didnít work good for me so sold em at a loss as usual.For me donít like the direction there heading at the moment super HA not my style IMO they need to work on a hybrid of the GL and the older LA wings then they have my interest, but still love the Iwa in good sized surf,great big guy wing! So enter the winging era learned on the GF M280 but it is a slug so I opted for a Axis 1020/500 and was really stoked on it great winging set up for me compared to the M280.Then I decided to get a Axis 920 wing for supfoiling and was pleasantly surprised as itís feels real good sorta a in between my Iwa and m200 kind of surprised me on the July 4th swell only had one session on it but was impressed so I will testing it out more, soon as we get some more swell,The thing I like about Axis they have so many options itís spins your wheels and there quality is real good for a aluminum product that mast friggin stiff doesnít have the flex that the GF has so currently pretty excited about Axis stuff ordered a 1150 for winging to get a tad more speed than the 1020,but the 1020 kicks ass, going to try it supfoiling one of these days on a small day,A lot of options Armstrong are real nice but Ferrari prices but sure like to try one! my 10 cents

Huh, you know the 1150 rides like the GL wings. Not your style.....

Trust me, my taste matches yours.
Definitely rolling the $800 dice here agree as hoping the 1150 for winging only,not supfoiling might work for me mowing the lawn winging,I know Im probably dreaming that a HA wing might work for me winging,just keeping my fingers crossed that maybe the 1150 might be my heavy weight friend to complement my 1020 which I really like ,and use the 1150 some days for a bit more higher range? being a Axis wing maybe be a better fit Lol,to me than the GF GL wings that I didnít like much at all probably the only odd ball on the planet that didnít like the the GL series,worse case donít like it sell it quickly

I tried the GL240--hated it. Couldn't turn it. Alex told me I bought the wrong wing and should try the 210 but I was in the middle of switching to Axis so I never did. The 1010 is easy to like, it glides like crazy. It's a little tough to turn, you need to use body twist instead of banking, which is a little harder with a wing than surfing, but I love mine. I'm 225# and it's easy to get up on it though you have to really gallop the first few times, It gets a lot easier quickly, and I'm not sure why. Probably I've just figured out what speed I need to be at to get up. If you try to come up too soon you loose the bubble and have to start over.
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Re: Go Foil : Axis : Armstrong : Signature : Cloud IX: ??
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2020, 07:18:01 PM »
You've got to try the 1000 before you buy a 910. Holy shit, is it good. I might use the 1010 for downwind, and I bought a 1150 as part of my "let's go crazy" purchase with the hope that it magically makes it possible for me to SUP downwind, but I suspect I'll be spending a lot of time on the 1000 and probably the 900.

I will try a 1000 before making any additional investments. (the 5.3 Naish I got from Phils the other day was unplanned and kinda hurt. Had an awesome session on it today though, thanks Phils!).
Can't wait to see that 1150. I too still have dreams of paddling up onto a foil one day.

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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2020, 10:31:49 PM »
I tried the GL240--hated it. Couldn't turn it. Alex told me I bought the wrong wing and should try the 210

yeah, the GL240 is really not a very good wing.  Pumps amazing with lots of lift, but it is super sluggish in every other way.

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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2020, 11:33:55 PM »
What I'm hearing I was kind of expecting with Axis getting a lot of nods w/ all of their pick-and-choose options of wings, masts, fuses, stabs, you name it, their quality construction, and lastly all for a reasonable price...all things considered, cuz I still think they're pricey, but if that's what the market will bear so be it. Might have to start making plans to start making some changes in the not to distance future.

Thatspec, yeah...been looking at Gong's setups for sometime now, and would really love to try them. But given I not seen a single on around here to try or even see how they work in person, and just can't bring myself to consider going through another shipping nightmare that I'm sure would happen. Because they're 2-2 now batting 1000%, and I don't see why I should expect anything different from them ever again.

Anyone got any "Zoner" deals or contacts they know of on Axis foils anywhere?  8)

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Re: Go Foil : Axis : Armstrong : Signature : Cloud IX: ??
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2020, 05:10:51 AM »
Thatspec,

I will force you to try the 900/390.  Clear up some budget.  This combo is going to burn your barn down.

 


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