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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #60 on: August 29, 2020, 01:50:35 PM »
I have not heard anything about a HS850 coming.

BTW...

I was listening to the latest Progression Project Podcast with Jack from Town on it. They were talking about how insane the Lift HA170 and HA200 foils were speed-wise.

This got me thinking about what I experienced. My GPS showed those foils to be just average and slower than my best speeds with some other wings. But, when holding my Duotone from the nose handle and just pumping and gliding, they felt faster, and glided farther per pump, than anything else Ive ridden.

So my conclusion is pumping speed, may not always translate to pure top end when wind-driven.

I asked the same, to a couple of local buddies (top level, one sponsored). They both agree. One thinks we (surfers) even have a certain speed expectation based on wave size (say 2 feet) so when we scream down the line of a 2 footer on foil at twice normal surf speed, we think wow, insane speed. But is it really insane in the wing ding world.

So next time I hear something has insane speed, I want to know doing what.

Interesting ideas.  The fast foil one reports on a wave may actually be more related to acceleration than max speed.   It makes sense that a great pumping wing also has great acceleration and is fast on waves if you think about the forces involved.   It sounds like those Lifts might be great PURE DW foils.

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #61 on: August 29, 2020, 01:53:55 PM »
When is someone going to make a narrow high aspect wing? Is that what the cloud9 f28 is? The pump on the "high aspect" wings is so good, but they roll rail to rail so slow it's frustrating in the surf.

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #62 on: August 29, 2020, 08:17:17 PM »
2 sessions now on the 1850. About 8 sessions into my fledgling winging experience. What an incredible foil! I've had the opportunity to try a number of Slingshot, Naish, Axis, and GoFoil larger surf foils. The 1850 feels slippery and decently fast with good glide. Surfs wind swell in an intuitive way. Pumping it feels initially a bit interesting and seems like it requires a different technique than the other foils I've tried. I think maybe shallower, equally weighted foot pumps got my low end get up and go pretty early rather larger amplitude pumps. Smooth operator, this foil! Super stoked. Already scheming on the HS1250...
6'5" 205 pounds. Armstrong 1850 Foil. Sunova 6'4" Aviator, Starboard Hypernut 7'4", Ozone Wing 5m

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #63 on: August 30, 2020, 07:21:38 AM »
2 sessions now on the 1850. About 8 sessions into my fledgling winging experience. What an incredible foil! I've had the opportunity to try a number of Slingshot, Naish, Axis, and GoFoil larger surf foils. The 1850 feels slippery and decently fast with good glide. Surfs wind swell in an intuitive way. Pumping it feels initially a bit interesting and seems like it requires a different technique than the other foils I've tried. I think maybe shallower, equally weighted foot pumps got my low end get up and go pretty early rather larger amplitude pumps. Smooth operator, this foil! Super stoked. Already scheming on the HS1250...
Critical to keep foil high in the water to get best performance for swell riding and also pumping.  I had an amazing session yesterday where I really focused on riding high and I found another gear by doing so.   

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #64 on: August 30, 2020, 05:18:32 PM »
Pumping it feels initially a bit interesting and seems like it requires a different technique than the other foils I've tried. I think maybe shallower, equally weighted foot pumps got my low end get up and go pretty early rather larger amplitude pumps.
Critical to keep foil high in the water to get best performance for swell riding and also pumping.  I had an amazing session yesterday where I really focused on riding high and I found another gear by doing so.   

Feels like rapidly pumping nose up and down (like other foils) just messes up the attached flow and disturbs lift. I like to pump up and down mast to generate speed. Feels more in rhythm with the energy in bumps or swells.

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #65 on: September 01, 2020, 01:00:29 PM »
Winged the 2400 with 85 mast. The mast is not stiff enough for this wing. I felt the dogs tail wagging under the board. Up on foil its less stable than the 1850. Its the mast flex causing this. If I had time and money Id make a stiff mast. The 2400 wing is nice.

Tail wasnt a perfect match either. Need to try the 0 shim next time.

Id rate all my other Armstrong setups a 5 and the 2400 combo a 3 on a 1-5 scale.

I dont need a 2400, but Jacky was stealing my 1850 in 9-11 mph wind.

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #66 on: September 01, 2020, 01:05:13 PM »
Winged the 2400 with 85 mast. The mast is not stiff enough for this wing. I felt the dogs tail wagging under the board. Up on foil its less stable than the 1850. Its the mast flex causing this. If I had time and money Id make a stiff mast. The 2400 wing is nice.

Tail wasnt a perfect match either. Need to try the 0 shim next time.

Id rate all my other Armstrong setups a 5 and the 2400 combo a 3 on a 1-5 scale.

I dont need a 2400, but Jacky was stealing my 1850 in 9-11 mph wind.

Bummer that's the case, and glad to hear it wasn't just me.  I remember putting in a washer or two and really jacking up the downforce before i finally felt the stabilizer on the 2400+85 mast.
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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #67 on: September 01, 2020, 01:52:50 PM »
I did hit 16.7 mph in 11 mph wind with the 2400
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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #68 on: September 01, 2020, 02:07:25 PM »
Yeah, the only time I notice any flex (side to side) is with the 2400 in substantial chop/backwash.  It doesn't create an unstable platform for me at 65kgs, but I could imagine it would be an issue at heavier weights.  The flex actually absorbs some of the roughness of the turbulence the giant wing picks up.  The 1850 performs much better in these type of conditions for sure.
Im a 59 65kg rider:

Boards:
   4'5.5" 33L Armstrong
   410 37L FSM
   5'1" 74L FSM
   511 100L FSM

Foils: Armstrong 800, 1050, 1550, 1850, 2400
Wings: BRM 2M-6M

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #69 on: September 01, 2020, 02:48:12 PM »
I bared off twice during the session to see what speed I could get. At most, a gust to 12 mph during the burst off the wind.


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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #70 on: September 02, 2020, 11:22:49 AM »
On the beach right now taking a break. Wind average on sensor 10 mph. I just spanked everyone. Even the 9m 135 lb windsurfer who alway goes, cannot plane. Jacky cannot get on foil with 1850 and 5m. I was on foil the whole time.

2400 working insane with 300 tail with 0 degree shim. Upping my rating to 4 stars.

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #71 on: September 02, 2020, 11:52:34 AM »
Session saver!
Im a 59 65kg rider:

Boards:
   4'5.5" 33L Armstrong
   410 37L FSM
   5'1" 74L FSM
   511 100L FSM

Foils: Armstrong 800, 1050, 1550, 1850, 2400
Wings: BRM 2M-6M

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #72 on: September 15, 2020, 04:26:02 PM »
Armstrong Mini Boom.

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #73 on: September 15, 2020, 05:26:02 PM »
Cute, but not bright.

Why wouldn't you extend the mini-boom to the furthest front handle and slightly past the back handle. If they are worried about packing it into a small pack then make it a two-piece. Easy. My fake boom does two things--lets you grab the boom at intermediate spots as illustrated above and stiffens the handles a lot. I don't get it, why not go all the way? It's velcro'ed onto the handles, not rocket science.

Here's how you do it, Armie--two straps in the front handle, stretching it tight against the boom, one each at the front of the next handle and the back of the one following. That gives maximum stiffness with minumum wraps. Repeat as necessary for however many handles you have. At the back, have a few inches extra to grab if you need a little power boost. Stick a narrow strip of loop velcro along the spine of the tube. If you decide to make a twopiece, have the ferrule fall at a handle and wrap a wide strip through the handle and onto both sections to ensure they don't separate. Totally public domain because it's stupidly simple. You're welcome.  There's no potential for patenting any of this that wouldn't evaporate after someone spent time with lawyers. If someone did I'd go after them myself out of pure spite.
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Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #74 on: September 15, 2020, 05:51:20 PM »
Yeah, still cheaper and more useable length to do a Pono Fake Boom.

 


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