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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2020, 09:16:23 PM »
Interesting Armstrong is releasing later this week a sort of Mini boom that can fit all the other wings..
You can see it in action in the new wing video on Armstrong’s official instagram ;)

Gee, I've never seen anything like that before. Brilliant.
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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2020, 04:01:00 AM »
I’m thinking either the 1550 or 1250, or maybe chop a 232 first.

1250 I think.

Jacky is dropping from 1550 to 1050 in high winds. My plan is to drop from 1850 to 1250.

I have ridden the 1050. Fun wing. Easy, wide range of use for Jacky, but she weighs 116.

I think 1250 will be my choice when it arrives soon. I’m 185 right now.

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2020, 04:41:54 AM »
Hi Dwight,
What’s the low end for Jacky on the 1050 ?

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2020, 05:12:25 AM »
Hi Dwight,
What’s the low end for Jacky on the 1050 ?

Thanks!

Don’t know for sure. She’s been riding it with a 4m, so not a lot of wind required at 116 lbs.

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2020, 05:14:15 AM »
You can see a prototype HA Armstrong wing leaning against his board in the background. Not my style of wing, but hope there is some Army magic in the design that makes it more fun than it looks.

https://youtu.be/zqm6n6dUBFY

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2020, 08:30:28 AM »
Talk about a blade! I heard that Armie was saying that most 'HA' wings on the market today are not true HA. I think he's going for the true HA, which probably comes with all kinds of challenges, hence the amount or R&D.



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   4’10” 37L FSM
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Foils: Armstrong 800, 1050, 1550, 1850, 2400
Wings: BRM 2M-6M

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2020, 09:19:06 AM »
Don’t believe marketing speak. Lots of brands have high aspect. Axis and gofoil have a pile of wings even more radical than that one.

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2020, 10:26:30 AM »
What on earth does true high aspect mean? More importantly, why is it good? the Axis 1150 has an aspect ratio of 6.4, which is probably as high as any foil wing around. Would it be better if it was higher? Might as well make a big deal about having long toes.
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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2020, 09:40:41 PM »
Interesting Armstrong is releasing later this week a sort of Mini boom that can fit all the other wings..
You can see it in action in the new wing video on Armstrong’s official instagram ;)

Gee, I've never seen anything like that before. Brilliant.

What on earth does true high aspect mean? More importantly, why is it good? the Axis 1150 has an aspect ratio of 6.4, which is probably as high as any foil wing around. Would it be better if it was higher? Might as well make a big deal about having long toes.
Not a fan of Armstrongs  :) :) ;)

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #54 on: August 28, 2020, 06:28:32 AM »
Haha chill out DW and Pono.  Armie isn't coming for your wings.  I'm not quoting Armie either. He didn't say there are 'no' HA wings on the market.  I think he was insinuating that there are a lot of wings marked as HA but really aren't.  He could have labeled his HS line as HA if he wanted to use 'marketings speak'.
I’m a 5’9” 65kg rider:

Boards:
   4'5.5" 33L Armstrong
   4’10” 37L FSM
   5'1" 74L FSM
   5’11” 100L FSM

Foils: Armstrong 800, 1050, 1550, 1850, 2400
Wings: BRM 2M-6M

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #55 on: August 28, 2020, 09:18:09 AM »
So...I’ve been a bit baffled as to why the Armstrong works so well.

I had been one those who avoided the brand for price, but primarily because they originally had just one tail stabilizer for ALL front wings. How could that be, when all my other foils needed a different size stabilizer for each front wing.

Now that I’ve ridden them, I’m still baffled by how well ALL front wings ride throughout an insane speed range with the same size stabilizer. Never have I been more happy with how well my stabilizer “feels” with my front wings, all of them.

We all know the bad feel. Not enough lift, then too much lift at high speed, then too much drag, then foil trying to nose dive at max speed. It can be a complete cluster F with some combinations with some brands. The last brand I kicked to the curb being the worst offender.

Then Kane de Wilde gave us a clue when he appeared on the Progression Project Podcast. He said he believes Armstrong designs for “pitch neutral”, so the stab is just for “stability”. Translation, no downwind lift required.

So I searched the web for an examples of pitch neutral.

So I’m not crazy. There is an explanation for why the Armstrong works better for me.

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/47154/are-there-any-fly-by-wire-airliners-with-negative-or-near-neutral-pitch-stabilit



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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2020, 07:15:25 AM »
Is the HS 850 also an upcoming deal or is that already out?

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2020, 09:06:08 AM »
I have not heard anything about a HS850 coming.

BTW...

I was listening to the latest Progression Project Podcast with Jack from Town on it. They were talking about how insane the Lift HA170 and HA200 foils were speed-wise.

This got me thinking about what I experienced. My GPS showed those foils to be just average and slower than my best speeds with some other wings. But, when holding my Duotone from the nose handle and just pumping and gliding, they felt faster, and glided farther per pump, than anything else I’ve ridden.

So my conclusion is pumping speed, may not always translate to pure top end when wind-driven.

I asked the same, to a couple of local buddies (top level, one sponsored). They both agree. One thinks we (surfers) even have a certain speed expectation based on wave size (say 2 feet) so when we scream down the line of a 2 footer on foil at twice normal surf speed, we think wow, insane speed. But is it really insane in the wing ding world.

So next time I hear something has insane speed, I want to know doing what.

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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2020, 09:30:59 AM »
I have not heard anything about a HS850 coming.

BTW...

I was listening to the latest Progression Project Podcast with Jack from Town on it. They were talking about how insane the Lift HA170 and HA200 foils were speed-wise.

This got me thinking about what I experienced. My GPS showed those foils to be just average and slower than my best speeds with some other wings. But, when holding my Duotone from the nose handle and just pumping and gliding, they felt faster, and glided farther per pump, than anything else I’ve ridden.

So my conclusion is pumping speed, may not always translate to pure top end when wind-driven.

I asked the same, to a couple of local buddies (top level, one sponsored). They both agree. One thinks we (surfers) even have a certain speed expectation based on wave size (say 2 feet) so when we scream down the line of a 2 footer on foil at twice normal surf speed, we think wow, insane speed. But is it really insane in the wing ding world.

So next time I hear something has insane speed, I want to know doing what.

I saw the HS 850 here: https://www.armstrongfoils.com/media/1890/armstrong-wing-size-guide.pdf .  I was browsing around on the Armstrong site looking for the 1250 (not added to the site yet) and saw the size guide.  1250, 1050 and 850 are super interesting sizes.  Nice to see lots of new designs coming out in those ranges.  I saw that F-One also has an upcoming 1080 Phantom which looks cool as well.  Neil Pryde Small at 1130. 




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Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« Reply #59 on: August 29, 2020, 10:50:06 AM »
Interesting Armstrong is releasing later this week a sort of Mini boom that can fit all the other wings..
You can see it in action in the new wing video on Armstrong’s official instagram ;)

Gee, I've never seen anything like that before. Brilliant.

What on earth does true high aspect mean? More importantly, why is it good? the Axis 1150 has an aspect ratio of 6.4, which is probably as high as any foil wing around. Would it be better if it was higher? Might as well make a big deal about having long toes.
Not a fan of Armstrongs  :) :) ;)

Not true, I think they make great stuff. I spent a lot of my career in Marketing and public relations--retired as the CEO of an advertising agency. It's silly marketing that I dislike.
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