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Lift Foils goes high aspect
« on: May 21, 2020, 03:59:07 AM »
These look great. I love that they did not go totally flat and maintained some arc. The arc will make them way more fun to surf.

https://youtu.be/J6quaVZq7iQ

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Re: Lift Foils goes high aspect
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2020, 04:26:51 AM »
Those do look really good. Cant wait to hear some reports on them.

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Re: Lift Foils goes high aspect
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2020, 05:22:21 AM »
Those look amazing.

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Re: Lift Foils goes high aspect
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2020, 10:42:18 PM »
These look great. I love that they did not go totally flat and maintained some arc. The arc will make them way more fun to surf.

If I had to guess, all of these nex gen foils, F-Oneís new Phantom , Fanaticís new HA Aero, Gongís new Veloce, and Liftís new high aspect line up, (and whoever else I missed), were designed with slightly less radical characteristics of the original flat pump standards (GoFoilís GLís, and SPGís Albatross foils). Meaning they should all be more maneuverable for easier more intuitive turning. That is pretty much what they are all saying right now in these intro videoís. They are also bringing out these new lines with several size options, as opposed to one-size-at-a-time approach Axis has been taking. And many of us will get to be the happy-to-pay-full-price-guinea-pig-testers :)

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Re: Lift Foils goes high aspect
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2020, 03:06:57 AM »
I am really liking the width of the Axis 920.  Having less meat projected out at the wingtips is super comfortable.  That makes riding on the centerline so much more natural and I don't feel like I need to keep pressure on the rails nearly as much as with the wider wings.  The wingtips don't buck you around in turbulent water either.  That is awesome.  Same is true of the Axis 1000.  Even though the width is there, the wingtips are really reduced and it feels great.  These are all 37 inches wide (940) which seems like a great width for winging.  Of course the smaller one is a lot higher aspect than the larger ones and the largest one looks more in line aspect ratio wise with what Axis is doing in its surf line. 
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Re: Lift Foils goes high aspect
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2020, 03:07:27 AM »
To be fair, Axis will announce a full line of sizes, in several new styles, when stock is available. Youíre reading about insiders leaking info on prototypes they get to demo.

COVID has caused backlogs for everyone.

Lift have nothing on their web site about the new wings. Probably same issues as others.

Itís a real bummer, we are going through another season of gear shortage for wingers!

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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2020, 03:28:04 AM »
Bad news on gear shortage for wingers. Just saw Colas posted this about Gong.

they are deluged with orders, it is so insane they have to work overtime. They beat their weekly sales amount record last week, and they ship 1500 products per week (mostly wings, foils, boards) on average now. They had to hire 5 more people recently to cope with the ever-increasing activity.
Winging is taking off like crazy here in Europe, their Lemon and Flint foil boards are backordered till mid-July...
Containers of 600 wings are 95% pre-sold when they arrive...

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Re: Lift Foils goes high aspect
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2020, 11:21:33 AM »
I am really liking the width of the Axis 920.  Having less meat projected out at the wingtips is super comfortable.  That makes riding on the centerline so much more natural and I don't feel like I need to keep pressure on the rails nearly as much as with the wider wings.  The wingtips don't buck you around in turbulent water either.  That is awesome.  Same is true of the Axis 1000.  Even though the width is there, the wingtips are really reduced and it feels great.  These are all 37 inches wide (940) which seems like a great width for winging.  Of course the smaller one is a lot higher aspect than the larger ones and the largest one looks more in line aspect ratio wise with what Axis is doing in its surf line.
I just moved into Axis foils and my one an only is a 920.  Makes me feel good that the 920 also works for you.  It's working well for me too.  Yes.  Stable.  And an easy lift.  Sometimes I can maintain have mast lift just about wave tops.  That feels very comfy and safe.  I've had a run on the 1020 which lifts easy but it got away from me too.  Changing subjects.  Are the high aspect foils easier to release in a wave situation because of less drag?   Hope you guys are well.

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Re: Lift Foils goes high aspect
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2020, 12:01:39 PM »
The build quality of Lift foils is amazing.  I have a current generation 170 which I probably have around 500 kiting sessions on and it just has a few superficial scratches.  Their masts hold up just as well but do have some flex.  For winging, I am all in with Armstrong and awaiting their high aspect offerings.

In general, if 2 wings are similar except for the aspect ratio, the HA wing will do almost everything better, IF one has the skills. 

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Re: Lift Foils goes high aspect
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2020, 10:43:39 PM »
To be fair, Axis will announce a full line of sizes, in several new styles, when stock is available. Youíre reading about insiders leaking info on prototypes they get to demo.

COVID has caused backlogs for everyone.

Lift have nothing on their web site about the new wings. Probably same issues as others.

Itís a real bummer, we are going through another season of gear shortage for wingers!

Agreed, I canít source any of these HA foils at the moment, and my Echoís are no where in site after ordering 4 weeks ago. Oh well, a first world problem in the grand scheme of things. Still a firm believer in prioritizing skill progression over chasing new gear.........speaking of which, yesterday I managed my longest backwinded ride (just ~30 yds, but I exited standing up!), did a few more ďreverse wing spinĒ jibes (need to come up with a better name for that), and managed some light wind transition pumping that actually kept me up on foil when I normally would have dropped right off.  Baby steps without any HA foil or new wing-a-dings required :P
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Re: Lift Foils goes high aspect
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2020, 01:37:42 AM »
I just moved into Axis foils and my one an only is a 920.  Makes me feel good that the 920 also works for you.  It's working well for me too.  Yes.  Stable.  And an easy lift.  Sometimes I can maintain have mast lift just about wave tops.  That feels very comfy and safe.  I've had a run on the 1020 which lifts easy but it got away from me too.  Changing subjects.  Are the high aspect foils easier to release in a wave situation because of less drag?   Hope you guys are well.

That 920 is very versatile.  The more I use it the more I like it.  For Axis high aspect you would most likely be looking at the 1010 or the 1000.  They are very different from one another.  The 1010 is less easygoing than the 920.  It lifts off really quickly and is very speedy but it throws me around a lot doing laps across our turbulent spring flow river.  I loved it for light Baja wind and water where I found it super smooth but I find myself using the 920 here in modest wind for all but the very lightest days when I still use the 1020.    The 1000 is a great wing for windier days.  It is quick and really fun.  It does have a higher wind requirement than the 920 though with me as pilot.  Waves may change all of that.  We haven't winged in waves yet so you will have to let us know what you find there. 

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Re: Lift Foils goes high aspect
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2020, 06:57:05 AM »
These look great. I love that they did not go totally flat and maintained some arc. The arc will make them way more fun to surf.

https://youtu.be/J6quaVZq7iQ

That looks awesome!  I've always wanted to try a foil board but never have.  One of these days I'll make it happen. 

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Re: Lift Foils goes high aspect
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2020, 05:27:32 PM »
My wife and I have about 5 days on the Lift HA wings. We own them all.

HA170 .....1096 sq cm
HA200 .....1290 sq cm
HA250 .....1612 sq cm

We have the 82cm mast.

What we have figured out so far....

They pump and glide forever. The first foils I have owned where I can honestly pump forever and not come off foil. Pretty freaky, when you consider ďthere areĒ way more radical looking pump specialist wings out there.

They turn, jibe, and carve rail to rail, like I like. More like older fun wings, and nothing like the dead flat wings. The local shop owner says, Armstrong is still the best at carving, but the Lift HA out pumps the Armstrong.

Now for the puzzling part. My wife and I both think itís easier to knee start them and more stable riding on the surface, waiting for the next gust. But why, is the puzzler. The mast is the same length I have been riding on my old foils. So thatís not it. The Lift mast is ďless stiffĒ than what I used to ride. So thatís not it. But the Lift HA are easier to pump onto foil than anything Iíve ridden. They are slippery little devils. So are we moving on the surface 2 or 3 mph faster in every situation, causing more stability in the board?

Iím actually riding the 1290 the most, because Jacky takes the 1612 in the super light wind. They pump so well, I can make the 1290 work in about anything.

Tip, they work best, forward in the tracks as compared to NP, GoFoil, Axis.
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Re: Lift Foils goes high aspect
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2020, 06:20:56 PM »
You are killing me Dwight.  I have a Lift mast for kiting so am very tempted.

 If you got onto the pocket of a 3 foot wave and did nothing but glide, which of the 3 would go the longest time before stalling and coming off foil?

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Re: Lift Foils goes high aspect
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2020, 06:47:27 PM »
You are killing me Dwight.  I have a Lift mast for kiting so am very tempted.

 If you got onto the pocket of a 3 foot wave and did nothing but glide, which of the 3 would go the longest time before stalling and coming off foil?

Donít know. Iíve only ridden the 170 once.


 


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