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Banging Gong!
« on: April 26, 2020, 12:16:31 AM »
Gongís new Veloce HA wings. Look great! :)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=etI5uVSeC8Y&feature=youtu.be

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Re: Banging Gong!
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2020, 07:36:30 AM »
They did a pretty good job of keeping that a secret.
Not available until 6/22 which is fine, by the looks of things they won't begin shipping internationally again until then.
232.50 - 282.50 euro (you have to set up an account with a billing address outside the EU to see the no -VAT pricing)
How are these guys able to turn a profit?

https://www.gong-galaxy.com/en/product/gong-foil-allvator-front-wing-veloce-pro-clear/
« Last Edit: April 26, 2020, 07:39:15 AM by Thatspec »

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Re: Banging Gong!
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2020, 11:05:02 AM »
Did I read somewhere that Gong fuses are compatible with Naish masts, or did I imagine that?
I'm 5'10", 65kg riding:
Naish Hover Crossover 120
Gong Catch 5'3"
on Naish foils (1250 & 1650).
Gong Plus wings - 4m, 5m

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Re: Banging Gong!
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2020, 01:38:03 PM »
Thatspec, itís the lack of a distributor in the chain. By the time a foil gets to a local reseller in the US (for example, itís already got a markup as well as maybe another shipping charge or two (China to distribution, distributor to reseller, then ship to you.) Thatís a lot of fat.

People talk about R&D costs but really itís marketing that adds up. Gong does R&D, clearly, but all those fly out events and demo days add up. (Just one example.)

I always wonder how much of a pair of trunks goes into John Johnís sailboat or Kaiís Jet skis and Coast Guard RIB. (Not hating on them, just pointing out that we all pay for that stuff.)

Iím a fan of th Gong stuff but also have to admit that they tend to wait til the factories know how to make something (it looks like, at least) and then release their version. Thatís cheaper than tooling up a new thing from ground zero. Smart business if you ask me.

But I really want a carbon fuse for the aluminum mast. For us small guys Iíll bet thatíd drop a ton of weight with little downside or expense. (Yes, itís on my project list.)

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Re: Banging Gong!
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2020, 05:10:24 PM »
Did I read somewhere that Gong fuses are compatible with Naish masts, or did I imagine that?

Read this somewhere as well along with Takuma alu parts. The Gong aluminum parts are pretty simply made, no fancy machine work going on there (especially the fuse) but held up well for me. No play in the system and looked great after a winter of kite foiling, was easy to re- sell at a small loss and I've picked up the 100cm carbon mast/fuse, haven't even used it yet  :'(

I had the 80cm mast and while I didn't notice any flex, I'm no connoisseur.

Thatspec, itís the lack of a distributor in the chain. By the time a foil gets to a local reseller in the US (for example, itís already got a markup as well as maybe another shipping charge or two (China to distribution, distributor to reseller, then ship to you.) Thatís a lot of fat.

People talk about R&D costs but really itís marketing that adds up. Gong does R&D, clearly, but all those fly out events and demo days add up. (Just one example.)

I always wonder how much of a pair of trunks goes into John Johnís sailboat or Kaiís Jet skis and Coast Guard RIB. (Not hating on them, just pointing out that we all pay for that stuff.)

Iím a fan of the Gong stuff but also have to admit that they tend to wait til the factories know how to make something (it looks like, at least) and then release their version. Thatís cheaper than tooling up a new thing from ground zero. Smart business if you ask me.

But I really want a carbon fuse for the aluminum mast. For us small guys Iíll bet thatíd drop a ton of weight with little downside or expense. (Yes, itís on my project list.)

 I'm perfectly happy with the gear I've used from them as well and their business plan. Was going to buy another board and wing when the stuff arrives in early May but doesn't appear my delivery person will be able to make the trip in June as originally planned  :'(

The Veloce wings look great to me, I'll probably pick up a couple of sizes as soon as it's possible (might be fall in my case, who knows). The Veloce stabs, probably not. Looking pretty similar to the 40 and 45cm which are already pretty thin profiled. Need to see some other pics.

Yeah, that aluminum fuse would make a formidable weapon ;)

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Re: Banging Gong!
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2020, 08:12:17 PM »
Their tail mount is just asking for some bolt on experimental stabilizers too.

I wouldnít bother with the surrounding part, just make ones that mount to the top, or worst case make some sides.

Keep us posted on how the carbon mast works. Whatís the weight on that?

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Re: Banging Gong!
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2020, 08:03:32 AM »
Their tail mount is just asking for some bolt on experimental stabilizers too.

I wouldnít bother with the surrounding part, just make ones that mount to the top, or worst case make some sides.

Keep us posted on how the carbon mast works. Whatís the weight on that?

Surfcowboy, there was an old thread on Seabreeze, even has a pic of someone's Takuma mast on a Gong fuse here;
https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Foiling/The-Gong-Allvator-SUP-Surf-foil?page=7

Somewhere in there I stated the weight of the 100cm as 2.6Kg, probably that's from earlier in the thread. Recall that it would not be much lighter than a 100cm alu setup (if they made one), just stiffer with a faster 'return to center' so to speak. Also eliminating the two big wear points that could develop play is great though makes it harder to pack. I was able to fit it in a Naish golf bag along with their 28 liter surf foil board and all my other gear which my Go Foil mast will not fit in.

The suitcase it comes in is really nice but will never be used again. Too nice to throw out though ::)

Shortening fuse length is something they haven't addressed yet, that'll just be more parts to buy. Those beautiful stabs are only 90 Euro though :o

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Re: Banging Gong!
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2020, 03:01:29 PM »
If you plan to stay direct sale only it's easy to price like that, but there's no room to change your mind. The standard distributor model--increasing rare these days--assumes a 4X markup over the cost to produce something. Some products, like clothing, have a much bigger markup to deal with returns and stock rotation.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: Banging Gong!
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2020, 07:31:45 PM »
Oh man, I feel you on the case. Itís great but I feel like it should be thinner and wider. Make it like a guitar case where it and a board would be near the thickness of that case. I canít even use it locally in the car.

If it was same length, twice as wide and half as thick itíd be way more useable. Maybe worth an email. I still want to build a sup with a compartment for the foil parts to travel inside.

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Re: Banging Gong!
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2020, 09:23:22 AM »
If you plan to stay direct sale only it's easy to price like that, but there's no room to change your mind. The standard distributor model--increasing rare these days--assumes a 4X markup over the cost to produce something. Some products, like clothing, have a much bigger markup to deal with returns and stock rotation.


Yeah PB, those guys just don't care about the US market. Probably they'd need a more standard distribution network here to make it work. As it is, shipping basically offsets the VAT tax savings though boards will never work, wings and foil parts probably no problem.
Too bad as they are churning out so really gorgeous SUP's as well as foil bits now with the high density sheet foam going all the way around the rails.

My last trip in March I had two giant checked bags full of goodies and was fully prepared to hand over the big bucks in excess baggage but probably due to virus induced confusion, United just waved it through  ;D It's just spin the wheel with those guys, they'll get me next time...



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Re: Banging Gong!
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2020, 12:42:41 PM »


Forget it's about Gong foils, LOADS of excellent theory on foil design and associated performance... Really worth a watch if you're interested in that sort of thing.
I'm 5'10", 65kg riding:
Naish Hover Crossover 120
Gong Catch 5'3"
on Naish foils (1250 & 1650).
Gong Plus wings - 4m, 5m

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Re: Banging Gong!
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2020, 05:33:18 PM »
Terrific video. Mr Gong is the man. Need more of this.

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Re: Banging Gong!
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2020, 07:25:04 PM »
Around 6:50 there's a really good comparison of the Veloce stab vs the current stab, a lot flatter and considerably thinner than I expected.

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Re: Banging Gong!
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2020, 08:01:17 PM »
Finally got time to check this out. What a great video. So much clear info.

Glad I bought into their stuff. Just need CA to let me go learn now. lol

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Re: Banging Gong!
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2020, 05:28:47 AM »
Sure did! As loud as a gun going off.
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