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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #75 on: March 28, 2020, 07:39:18 AM »
Nice work DW - very cool. Really hope that tacking comes to me even half that easily (but I'm not holding my breath!)
I'm 5'10", 65kg riding:
Naish Hover Crossover 120
Gong Catch 5'3"
on Naish foils (1250 & 1650).
Gong Plus wings - 4m, 5m

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #76 on: March 28, 2020, 07:45:27 AM »


"The key is sending the wing forward over your head as you start the carve, so you lean forward, not back, which is your natural tendency"


Thanks you DW, i think you absolutely nailed it. I've been trying tacking holding the wing up, but i think the key is really to holding up AND MOVING IT FORWARD. can't wait to try.
thank you for this amazing tip!

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #77 on: March 28, 2020, 09:04:00 AM »
Looking smooth DW, I'm glad you went back out to nail that trick. Soon you'll start doing that in the waves, super fun. Plus learning the timing to get the tack and catch the wave is a fun challenge.

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #78 on: March 28, 2020, 11:04:01 PM »
So Dwight and DavidJ, sounds like both of you are riding that 6m up to a higher wind limit than other 6m wings. What would say your ideal upper limit is before you want to switch down in size?  Really looking at a 2 wing quiver, either 6 and 4.6 or 5.3 and 3.6.


Im using my new Naish 6m in winds from 10 knots to 20 knots and 25 knot gusts without a problem but a solid 25 knots might be pushing it.. Thats not saying thats the case for everyone.. Im a big guy at 64 and a lifetime of windsurfing and loving that powered up (overpowered) feel. Im thinking a 6m and 4.6 might be a good two wing quiver for me so a 5.3 and 3.6 will suit most people.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2020, 11:05:46 PM by DavidJohn »

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #79 on: March 29, 2020, 06:33:03 AM »
I just noticed Matt at Real posted his written review. Since he took my review and posted it to his web site, I guess it must be ok to take his, and post here  ;)

The paragraphs highlighted (by me) is what we call progress. I expect this in most gen 2 wings. Id bet the Duotone Echo has the same gust absorption. More like a windsurf sail with each generation. We are still way behind as a sport, compared to the mature wind sports.

4.6m and 5.3m Naish S25 Review
Matt Nuzzo on Mar 21, 2020
These are my two bread and butter sizes. I am mostly riding an Armstrong 1550 foil with these two wings. The 4.6m is my go to for 15-25mph of wind and the 5.3m I am using mostly in 10-18mph of wind.

When I am teaching people I am starting them on the 4.6m underpowered so they can learn how to handle the wing. Once they can stand up on the board, I like to put them on too big of a wing so they can get more forward speed with less pumping of the wing. That means I am having the student ride either wing toward the top of the wind range.

Naish did a great job with the upgrade of the Wing surfer S25. They are well built, easy to fly and have great performance attributes once you know how to ride. They have been easy to teach people on as well.

I really like how well this wing handles gusts. When you get hit by a gust the power slowly comes on so you can control your speed easier. Same thing when you ride through a lull, the wing keeps solid in your hands and you stay powered through the lull.

The upwind performance is unmatched. Same for the top speed. If you really want to go fast you can move your hands down the strut, sheet in and really fly on this thing. I can keep up with most of the kite foilers on the water with this wing.

Finally the windows are really awesome. It is great to see what is straight down wind of you with out having to lift the wing over you head.

6m S25 Wing Surfer Makes Phantom Wind
Matt Nuzzo on Mar 21, 2020
I have been riding the 6m S25 a bunch to test the low end range of this wing. I have been riding it in a lot of gusty conditions that ranged from 5-10mph of wind and a couple of days that were 5-15. For the really light stuff I am riding a 2400 foil and when it looks a little windier, I have been riding the 1550.

They made the 6m fatter than the smaller sizes. This means that the wing tips are not super long. This helps keeping the wing tips out of the water. It is still a big wing and not the best for a straight beginner unless you are really tall.

The 6m feels like you don't have power in it until you get a gust and start pumping to get some speed going. At the really low end of the range, you really need to ready the gust and pump like mad to get up on foil.

Once you are on foil, the 6m seems to create its own wind. Gusts have a very smooth power delivery so you don't get and immediate jolt of speed. Riding through lulls is wild as you just seem to keep riding with power in the wing even though you go right through a glassy patch of water.

The upwind performance of the 6m is better than expected too.

The only down side is that when you turn, it feels like there is no air in the wing. You just need to bring the wing over your head to transition rather than out in front of you.

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #80 on: March 31, 2020, 09:41:32 AM »
Has anyone figured out how to get your new S25 Wingsurfer into the bag without creasing/folding the windows? Is there some origami wizard trick? Does it even matter do you think?
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« Last Edit: March 31, 2020, 09:43:34 AM by RobM »
Me: 5'10" (178cm), 185lb (84kg)
Wings: Naish WingSurfer S25 5.3m
Board: BluePlanet foil sup 6'6" 116 Lt
Foils: Axis 1000/370/short fuse (1310cm2); Neil Pryde Glide Surf L-1484cm2; BP Easy Foiler L/M/S 1750/1480/1224cm2
Mast: Axis 90/68cm; NP Flight 82cm,NP Glide 60cm

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #81 on: March 31, 2020, 09:49:22 AM »
My understanding is it doesn't matter.  I just roll up  towards the center and then fold without worrying about the windows.  Please correct me if this is a mistake.

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #82 on: March 31, 2020, 09:49:43 AM »
RobM I was wondering that same thing, and would love a photo of how the new Naish wing comes packed and the bag size.

Windsurfer sail manufacturers always make the sail bag just slightly bigger than the rolled up sail. That always frustrated the hell out of me, and like you said, you practically need to know origami or be a sushi chef to roll the sail small enough to fit it back in. 
I have to be pretty methodical and careful  to get my Fone wing back into the back pack.
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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #83 on: March 31, 2020, 11:05:23 AM »
Hey Caribsurf, the new wing came in the bag folded up. Not like I usually do - roll from wing tips to center strut then fold up roughly in 3rds, and put in bag. Here's pics of v1 4m beside new S25 5.3 to give you some sense of bag size. Still pretty compact (but there are those folds in the windows!) Rob
Me: 5'10" (178cm), 185lb (84kg)
Wings: Naish WingSurfer S25 5.3m
Board: BluePlanet foil sup 6'6" 116 Lt
Foils: Axis 1000/370/short fuse (1310cm2); Neil Pryde Glide Surf L-1484cm2; BP Easy Foiler L/M/S 1750/1480/1224cm2
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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #84 on: March 31, 2020, 12:06:12 PM »
hey Rob thanks for that photo. The new Naish packs surprisingly smaller than I would have imagined.  I do wonder about the creases in the window over time, but I guess they know what they are dong with all those year of making sails...
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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #85 on: April 09, 2020, 12:20:20 PM »
Rode the 3.6m today in this wind. 100% riding in the harness and very comfortable. First time on the 3.6m. Im impressed. The future of this sport is bright! Was using the Axis 900 with 400 and 460 tail. I prefer the 400. Surfs a little better.

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #86 on: April 09, 2020, 07:35:06 PM »
Rode the 3.6m today in this wind. 100% riding in the harness and very comfortable. First time on the 3.6m. Im impressed.

Anything in particular in comparison to the other sizes that impressed you?

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #87 on: April 10, 2020, 02:46:05 AM »
Rode the 3.6m today in this wind. 100% riding in the harness and very comfortable. First time on the 3.6m. Im impressed. The future of this sport is bright! Was using the Axis 900 with 400 and 460 tail. I prefer the 400. Surfs a little better.



Less than 20 MPH average winds.  Looks like wings could go even smaller. 

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #88 on: April 10, 2020, 03:15:57 AM »
20 is low wind line. This meter doesnt give an average. Its the Gov meter.

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #89 on: April 10, 2020, 03:30:22 AM »

Anything in particular in comparison to the other sizes that impressed you?

The Naish size gaps are odd. 3.6m to 4.6m being the largest gap in the lineup. Was hoping the gap worked and the 3.6m had good range. It did not disappoint.

Its still weird to a life long windsurfer to see such odd size spacing. They probably could have fudged the size labeling. Its been done before, in all wind sports. My buddy (30 lbs lighter than me, owns one size) was riding his 5.3m. So the 5.3 to 3.6 gap is doable.