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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #60 on: March 25, 2020, 07:16:48 PM »

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2020, 12:59:36 AM »
So Dwight and DavidJ, sounds like both of you are riding that 6m up to a higher wind limit than other 6m wings. What would say your ideal upper limit is before you want to switch down in size?  Really looking at a 2 wing quiver, either 6 and 4.6 or 5.3 and 3.6. OBX winds tend to be stronger and more gusty than FL. Lots of 15-25 and 18-32 days, with a few 8-15 days thrown in.  Hard to figure this out without without doing a 3 wing quiver. Iím still at ~169 #.

Whatís it like tacking the Naish or riding it backwinded (half way through a 360) versus an F1 or Wasp?

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2020, 01:51:37 AM »


I always have some skepticism towards industry reviews but interesting comments that highlight some notable differences in the 2 wings.  Note that they do not carry the F-One wing. 

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2020, 03:39:49 AM »
So Dwight and DavidJ, sounds like both of you are riding that 6m up to a higher wind limit than other 6m wings. What would say your ideal upper limit is before you want to switch down in size?  Really looking at a 2 wing quiver, either 6 and 4.6 or 5.3 and 3.6. OBX winds tend to be stronger and more gusty than FL. Lots of 15-25 and 18-32 days, with a few 8-15 days thrown in.  Hard to figure this out without without doing a 3 wing quiver. Iím still at ~169 #.

Whatís it like tacking the Naish or riding it backwinded (half way through a 360) versus an F1 or Wasp?

5.3 and 3.6 for OBX.  The 6m has huge range yes, but lets get real about it. The S25 is a different animal from anything else out there. Gen 1 wings feel like 2 line Wipikas. Gen 2 feel like bow kites. Matt almost figures this out when he compares the Ozone to the S25, but gets confused trying to explain why. Matt should give you a demo.

I havenít tried a 360 or tack with mine. I will next time out. Iíve been so in love with my new upwind ability, I rocket upwind to the big bridge, then surf the wind waves back to Kelly, then repeat, over and over.

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2020, 04:24:58 AM »

5.3 and 3.6 for OBX.  The 6m has huge range yes, but lets get real about it. The S25 is a different animal from anything else out there. Gen 1 wings feel like 2 line Wipikas. Gen 2 feel like bow kites. Matt almost figures this out when he compares the Ozone to the S25, but gets confused trying to explain why. Matt should give you a demo.

I havenít tried a 360 or tack with mine. I will next time out. Iíve been so in love with my new upwind ability, I rocket upwind to the big bridge, then surf the wind waves back to Kelly, then repeat, over and over.

Thanks! I figured as much. I donít want to make any negative comments about local shops and demos,...letís just say that despite our location here, we still have to buy almost all our gear site unseen. A trivial first world problem. I trust your judgement, and itís about time I gave the handle thingy a try....

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2020, 05:14:39 AM »
I always have some skepticism towards industry reviews but interesting comments that highlight some notable differences in the 2 wings.  Note that they do not carry the F-One wing.

I found the video valuable as well.  He is critical of both wings and sells both.  It sounds like he prefers the Wasp but also like he is more familiar with it.

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2020, 08:36:43 AM »
They're probly sitting on a bunch of ozones and want to direct sales to them before having to do close out pricing with people wanting 2nd generation gear.
If you look at older wing reviews from kite shops, they bash on wings being only for high winds and being hard to use. They were trying to direct buyers to keep on kites so they could clear inventory it looked like to me. My friend's with shops that has kite, wind surf, all foil sports and even kayaks were all into the wing and stoked to have them.

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #67 on: March 27, 2020, 01:52:40 PM »
Whatís it like tacking the Naish or riding it backwinded (half way through a 360) versus an F1 or Wasp?

Tried tacks today with the 6m in 12-14 mph wind. I made 10 out of 10, never fell in, and Iíve never done a winging tack in my life. I had tried only 2 days previously with the Swing and failed horribly. The last time I tried the board hit me in the head.

So Iíd say I either became a wizard overnight, or the Naish is easier. Iím still a clumsy old man, so it must be the Naish. My buddy on the beach said I went way around pretty easy. I think the upwind superiority and apparent wind makes it easier.

A Drone was in the air chasing me. Drone operator struggled to keep up. Hope the video is good. Iíll post it tomorrow.

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #68 on: March 27, 2020, 03:40:38 PM »
Whatís it like tacking the Naish or riding it backwinded (half way through a 360) versus an F1 or Wasp?

Tried tacks today with the 6m in 12-14 mph wind. I made 10 out of 10, never fell in, and Iíve never done a winging tack in my life. I had tried only 2 days previously with the Swing and failed horribly. The last time I tried the board hit me in the head.

So Iíd say I either became a wizard overnight, or the Naish is easier. Iím still a clumsy old man, so it must be the Naish. My buddy on the beach said I went way around pretty easy. I think the upwind superiority and apparent wind makes it easier.

A Drone was in the air chasing me. Drone operator struggled to keep up. Hope the video is good. Iíll post it tomorrow.

Awesome! Sounds like a major breakthrough😀.   

I did pull the trigger and picked up a 5.3 and 3.6 today from Real. Looking forward to getting out on them ASAP. Kinda dropped the ball working on my 360ís. I think the S25ís will make them a bit easier to master as well, but just a guess.

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #69 on: March 27, 2020, 04:26:31 PM »
Very excited by this discussion! I just received my S25 5.3m on Tues but have not had a chance to use it, possibly this weekend by the forecast. I can't wait to try this magic wing and start making all my moves!😉
Me: 5'10" (178cm), 185lb (84kg)
Wings: Naish WingSurfer 4m(v1), 5.3m (v2);
Board: BluePlanet foil sup 6'6" 116Lt;
Foils: Neil Pryde Glide Surf L-1484cm2; BP Easy Foiler L-1750cm2, M-1440cm2, S-1240cm2
Mast: NP Flight 82cm, NP Glide 60cm; BP Mast 66cm, L-90cm

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2020, 04:36:48 AM »
Here is the video from yesterday. Still canít believe I made every one I tired. What an awesome day.


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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #71 on: March 28, 2020, 04:44:34 AM »
Nice Dwight!  Great progress.  The drone footage is sweet.

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #72 on: March 28, 2020, 04:50:39 AM »
Awesome Dwight!
Tell us more about your tecnique please. As far as i see the first thing is moving the wing to your head when you gain speed and then you start to turn, correct?

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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #73 on: March 28, 2020, 05:33:20 AM »
Tell us more about your tecnique please.

Flkiter gave us a beach demonstration of the technique a few weeks ago. I went out right afterwards and failed so bad, the board hit me in the head. Had not tried since that day until yesterday.

The key is sending the wing forward over your head as you start the carve, so you lean forward, not back, which is your natural tendency. Without sending it forward, the kook move is to look up at the wing, lean back, and immediately wheelie the board airborne and get hit by it. That WAS me. Flkiter had another tip where he forces the wing to spin pivot by pushing away with his rear hand as he starts the tack. I didnít need to do that yesterday.

Yesterday, I carved, sent the wing forward, and surprised myself by how far it carved around automatically. Never had that feeling before of it carving so far around by itself. From there it was easy, switch the front hands, grab the rear handle and I was around to my total surprise. After about 5 tacks, the touch a goes became full flying tacks. I kept expecting to choke and crash once I heard the drone buzzing me, but never missed a one.


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Re: New Naish S25 Wing-Surfer
« Reply #74 on: March 28, 2020, 06:47:01 AM »
Here is the video from yesterday. Still canít believe I made every one I tired. What an awesome day.

That video is the stuff of dreams.  Same thing over and over but canít stop watching. 

Too cool.  The video, the sunshine, the drone hover and track, the light air, the planing (foiling) in almost no wind.  Just what we all dreamed of 30 years ago - maybe more for some of you  8)
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