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WINGS with Bar
« on: January 18, 2020, 09:55:51 PM »
Hi,

Wondering why are there only two wings on the market with bar ?  Duotone and Dragon fly, I have used the duotone and can see the value of a wing with bar.  I als have hearded that Starboard will brign a wing with bar , are there any other manufacturer ? 

RE the Duotone there is the stability qestion but that will be solved in time.

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Re: WINGS with Bar
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2020, 12:49:51 AM »
I made a fake boom that attaches to my F-One handles. Much better that those floppy things, and it makes transitions easier because I can grab the middle of the boom to do the hand switch.
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Re: WINGS with Bar
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2020, 03:33:28 AM »
Wings with booms will be coming from most brands - I've been riding both and there are pro's and con's to both.

Guys here have converted F-One Swings to boom by cutting off the strut - works great.

Starboard proto-type is looking really good......

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Re: WINGS with Bar
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2020, 05:18:54 AM »
Though Still in the early stages of wind foiling, I have used both the Duotone and F-One and early findings are I find the Duotone easier for me having windsurfed for many years.  The boom allows me to keep my eyes on the water and still change hand positions , while with the F-One I have to look for the straps.  Also in the lulls, I am able to keep the Duotone wing aloft with the rigid boom while the F-One seems to flop on top of my hands and is harder to keep aloft.  I love the convenience of the F-One packing away in a backpack and perfect for travel and why I bought it, but at this point in my learning, I like the Duotone...also like the clear window on the Duotone
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Re: WINGS with Bar
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2020, 07:08:51 AM »
A friend at my spot just damaged his board when the boom hit it. So that is one possible advantage of not having one.

Grabbing the F-one handles becomes second nature. At first you definitely have to look, but eventually you don't have to, you just know where it is.


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Re: WINGS with Bar
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2020, 07:10:05 AM »
I am in the no boom Camp.  We have owned both and the ultra light weight and light air advantage boomless won out.  I know that we will see upgraded rigid handles in the not so distant future.  :)

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Re: WINGS with Bar
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2020, 07:33:36 AM »
The weight will be solved with better material, I am sure. Aluminium vs Carbon. 

The argument of the boom hitting the board well there is very little one can argue against that. 

PeterP have you used an F-One with boom/bar? How did the wing function is their a noticeable improvement?

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Re: WINGS with Bar
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2020, 07:40:12 AM »
Duotone coming out soon with much lighter carbon boom, super stable profile and a new wave dedicated ‘hybrid’ wing.. we’ll see!

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Re: WINGS with Bar
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2020, 08:49:26 AM »
Some photos of duotone have appeared already. it even looks like they will bring a wing with handles.

But why are there no other companies?
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Re: WINGS with Bar
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2020, 08:58:43 AM »
Some photos of duotone have appeared already. it even looks like they will bring a wing with handles.

But why are there no other companies?

Are you guys going to be producing one?

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Re: WINGS with Bar
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2020, 09:42:09 AM »
Not sure yet, still doing my homework, have the proto work done but am still trying to work out why most brands don't have one. 

We have solved some issues they have on the DT

- no battens
- less wing wash etc

On the other side, the bar hitting the board is simply unavoidable. Found that the bar is ok if it hits the board as long as there is some EVA the bigger problem is the end of the bar. 





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Re: WINGS with Bar
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2020, 11:05:27 AM »
Have you experimented with rigid strut handles or rigid strut mounted bars? 

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Re: WINGS with Bar
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2020, 11:44:33 AM »
The weight will be solved with better material, I am sure. Aluminium vs Carbon. 

The argument of the boom hitting the board well there is very little one can argue against that. 

PeterP have you used an F-One with boom/bar? How did the wing function is their a noticeable improvement?

I tried a boom-enabled Swing in crap wind so can't comment on whether the wing will perform better in powered up conditions, but transitions are undoubtedly easier with a boom.

I'm on the fence with booms, transitions are easier with a boom but the extra weight and risk of board damage etc doesn't appeal to me. Maybe when we get light carbon booms it will be more clear, the Duotone boom is 1st gen rubbish.

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Re: WINGS with Bar
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2020, 11:47:31 AM »
Maybe if the boom was covered like a kite bar then it wouldn't damage the boards. It would add weight depending on the material. Soft material would be light but a more durable material like on the slingshot bars would add weight for sure

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Re: WINGS with Bar
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2020, 12:21:27 PM »
Any pics of the prototype starboard?

 


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