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Adolfo

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Help with which Wing to buy
« on: October 23, 2019, 08:30:53 AM »
Hello all.
Spring has arrived to the southern hemisphere and itís time to pull the trigger on a wing.
Problem is Iím not sure what to buy, and so would like to use your summer experience to help me with  the decision.
I know some of you have a lot of different wings. Admin, Pono and Dwight that I can  think of, but Iím sure there must be others.
I weight 160 lb  and would like to use it from 12/13 knots to the low 20ís, mostly for surfing, so I think that a 5 mts will be the size.  The board will be a Starboard Hypernut 7í4 and a Neil Pryde Surf Large foil (1.600 cm2).
My options here are: Duotone,  Ozone  and F-One.
So, letís say that, with all the experience you now have , you can buy just one wing for the summer. Which will it be  and why?
Thanks in advance!!
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Re: Help with which Wing to buy
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2019, 11:28:37 AM »
I haven't used the duotone but I like the F1 more than the ozone and being that you're on a 1600 foil with a long board, you'll need as much wing as possible. The handles also don't last long on the ozone. I feel like the F1 is the most balanced in gusts and easiest to use in the waves. Also its wing tips rarely catch the water compared to the ozone.

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Re: Help with which Wing to buy
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2019, 02:09:11 PM »
Hey Adolfo
Just curious where in the Southern Hemisphere?
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Re: Help with which Wing to buy
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2019, 03:48:29 PM »
I will not buy a wing that I can't attach a harness line to easily, so the Ozone is out. For me a harness line is a must have feature now.

The F-ONE has a nice harness line and harness attachment at just the right position, however the Duotone might work even better with a harness because you can adjust the location to meet your exact needs.

I heard the F-ONE has more power than the Duotone, but this is 2nd hand info. I have not tried one myself.

I did notice the F-ONE jumps are very high vs. the Duotone, but that might be because of their professional rider. That being said it could also be a power thing so at least you know the F-ONE has the power to do that.

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Re: Help with which Wing to buy
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2019, 04:03:11 PM »
I have both a Duotone 5M and a F-One 5m. Also Duotone 3 and 4M. I'd say the duotone 5M is more powerful than the F-One, but it's harder to handle. the F-one is more settled and stable. I hate the floppy handles of the F-one though, so I had to make a fake boom to be comfortable with it. Fortunately, that's not hard if you have an old paddle shaft kicking around.

I've tried about everything but Gong, and I like the smaller size Duotones best, but I like the 5M F-one better than the Duotone.
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Re: Help with which Wing to buy
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2019, 04:51:00 AM »
Thanks for the advice.

@flkiter: good point on the handles of the Ozone. Thatís de kind of experience that I was looking for. Regarding the power, I donít think the size of the foil will be a problem at my weight. Last weekend I demoed a Duotone 4 with my board and foil,  and found it very easy to use. Wind was steady from 15 to 18 knots, and I just stood on the board  and foiled away on the first try, and one hour later was doing foiling  jibes (Iím a kite foiler).

@ Dusk Patrol:  I live in Argentina, where I kite & SUP on flat water and chop, and I do most of my surfing during holidays in Uruguay.

@ supkailua: agree on the harness lines!! On my only session with the Duotone I found that my back arm got tired, especially going upwind, when I needed to put the wing on a vertical position an sheet in. It remembered me of the early days of windsurfing (late 70ís), before harnesses were invented. We used to sail inside  the boom just  to  give the arms a rest!!

@Pono: you summarized what I suspected. I never used a wing with handles but I like better the idea of having a firm device to control the wing. But on the other hand, what I didnít like of the Duotone was that, when I tried to  hold the wing from the front handle, it started swinging like crazy from one side to the other. That was a very different experience of what I was expecting from watching videos, where people look to foil relaxed down the line, while casually holding the  wing behind them with one hand.
But then I canít find any videos of people surfing like that with Duotones. It looks like with Duotones they surf holding the boom  over their heads.
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Re: Help with which Wing to buy
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2019, 05:23:33 AM »
What I didnít like of the Duotone was that, when I tried to  hold the wing from the front handle, it started swinging like crazy from one side to the other. That was a very different experience of what I was expecting from watching videos, where people look to foil relaxed down the line, while casually holding the  wing behind them with one hand.
But then I canít find any videos of people surfing like that with Duotones. It looks like with Duotones they surf holding the boom  over their heads.

Hi Adolfo,

I am obviously sold on the Swings at this point but they really are far ahead on this first effort.  Here is some relevant stuff snipped from FB:

The Duotones do have that odd behavior. You can test this on the beach. In a steady breeze grab your wing by the leading edge handle only (or by the leash right where it meets the wing). The Duotones will fly in a very stable manner when upside down but when you flip them to rightside up they will begin to beat from side to side. This becomes very aggressive in higher wind. Most other wings fly very calmly when you do this same test rightside up. You can film this comparison easily and it will be duplicable for anyone who wants to try.

Check out this video at 1:50 . You can see the issue there. This gets much more significant in stronger wind. It is always there but it is less noticeable with both hands on the wing. We noticed a major stability increase with other wing types



Check out the difference. It is profound.



Aside from that, the Swings are significantly lighter, notably more powerful in all sizes that I have tried, distort less under load, pack smaller, and rig quicker. 

We paid full price for all of our wings.  We have now sold everything except for the Swings.  In my mind F-One has set a very high bar for the industry and this will push development and improvement going forward.  All of this may change when everyone comes out with V2 products but for now the Swings are out there on their own.
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Re: Help with which Wing to buy
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2019, 06:21:59 AM »
The Slingshot wing also does the side to side wobble off the nose handle.

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Re: Help with which Wing to buy
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2019, 06:36:33 AM »
I think a bunch of the companies will start to copy the F1 design. Looks like the production model of the cabrinha changed a little in the direction of F1 from the early samples. Gong is adding the floating canopy as well and I wouldn't be surprised if ozone does the same for their 6 meter. Wings are like all equipment tho, different styles for different riders. As for pressure on the hands, as you get into the high aspect wings, that'll be way less as you have less drag on the foil.

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Re: Help with which Wing to buy
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2019, 07:05:55 AM »
Thanks again.
It looks like the F-One is the best option.
4 votes to 0 on the  others!!
Now I have to be sure of  the size I want.
Wind range charts say that the 4.2 is good from 15 to 30 knots and the 5.0 from 10 to 25.
Do you think those numbers are accurate?
I ask because with kites  Iím used to that kind of charts, but  they donít work well. In my experience big kites (> 12) work better for heavier guys in light wind, but they donít do much to lower the minimum threshold for lightweights. Donít know if that is the case with wings.
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Re: Help with which Wing to buy
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2019, 08:10:57 AM »
For the size board and foil and your weight, I'd go with the 5 unless you can get the 6. I weigh about the same and ride a 5'11" with the Axis 100 wing or the 102. I think my quiver will be a 3.5 and 6 once I get them but the 5 has been my main wing and I've held it down up over 25 knots with no issue. The top end is really what ever you feel comfortable with but the low end is limited with wings due to foil, board, Rider weight, and skill. You'll start with one and build a quiver from it. We all started with just one and now most guys are building quivers of wings instead of kites.

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Re: Help with which Wing to buy
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2019, 08:40:24 AM »
I'm 145 lbs, just sold my Slingshot, and have a 3.5 and 5M Swing out for delivery today. 

If I was only getting one size, I probably would have gone 4.2M.  I'm aiming for similar wind conditions 10-20+ knts.  Have a giant 2400 wing for light wind, 1550 for average, and 1200 for nuking (Armstrong).
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Re: Help with which Wing to buy
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2019, 04:01:30 PM »
Gong is adding the floating canopy as well...

What do you mean regarding the "floating canopy"? Are you referring to the new Pro Wing? Or is this a new development?

I would put my vote in for Gong for which Wing to buy. I love my 5M - top quality construction, light weight, good power in light air, and handles the gusts nicely. Oh, and the handles are rumored to be the best out there! Not to mention it is the most affordable wing available now by a huge margin.

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Re: Help with which Wing to buy
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2019, 05:12:16 PM »
I would put my vote in for Gong for which Wing to buy. I love my 5M - top quality construction, light weight, good power in light air, and handles the gusts nicely. Oh, and the handles are rumored to be the best out there! Not to mention it is the most affordable wing available now by a huge margin.

I was wondering if someone would mention Gong. Has anyone used both Gong and F-One?
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Re: Help with which Wing to buy
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2019, 05:24:16 PM »

I was wondering if someone would mention Gong. Has anyone used both Gong and F-One?

I have. The Gong is well balanced. It doesnít do the side to side wobble. The handles are comfortable. So itís better than a lot of wings, from the big brands.

F-one is by far the best, if you donít mind that it also comes with the highest price tag in the industry.