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Re: Wing window thread
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2019, 03:34:20 AM »
I really enjoy the shade on the hot sunny days. Windows? Nope.
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Re: Wing window thread
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2019, 03:45:26 AM »
The wing isn't fixed like a windsurfing sail.  It is in an wide variety of positions.  The small windows line up with some of those positions, sometimes, but it isn't the norm.  Outside of those few positions you have to reposition he wing to get a peak through the window.  Why not just move it to another position?  It is no harder and you get a perfect view, not a window limited view.  Also, windsurfing sails have windows that are often the size of our whole wings or even full sail.  Those sails are fixed at the mastfoot so sometimes you do need to see through them and you (usually) can.  Looking through a window is just a habit.  There are many ways to get the same or better result.

In there video an F-one product manager says that they won't add windows until there are materials available that do not add weight or limit performance.  I am all for that!
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Re: Wing window thread
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2019, 10:03:40 PM »
In there video an F-one product manager says that they won't add windows until there are materials available that do not add weight or limit performance.  I am all for that!

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Re: Wing window thread
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2019, 04:04:20 AM »
Let's hop for Aluula wings...and no windows.   :)

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Re: Wing window thread
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2019, 05:13:12 AM »
We have been riding a wind direction that sends us across a busy boat channel lately. So as Im riding the Swing, in the harness, thoughts of a window come to mind. There is no place for a window on the Swing. The strut, and the big wide web above it, block any view a window might provide. Way down by the wing tip, is the only place a window would provide a limited view. We are stuck window-less forever on this design.

I continue to listen closely for yahoos in power boats and unhook for a peak. The concern is real in Florida, when you consider about 3 years ago a windsurfer was killed by a powerboat sailing across a channel.

Imagine the lawyers going after everyone in a fatality, including the wing ding companies.
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Re: Wing window thread
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2019, 09:37:08 AM »
We have been riding a wind direction that sends us across a busy boat channel lately. So as Im riding the Swing, in the harness, thoughts of a window come to mind. There is no place for a window on the Swing. The strut, and the big wide web above it, block any view a window might provide. Way down by the wing tip, is the only place a window would provide a limited view. We are stuck window-less forever on this design.

I continue to listen closely for yahoos in power boats and unhook for a peak. The concern is real in Florida, when you consider about 3 years ago a windsurfer was killed by a powerboat sailing across a channel.

Imagine the lawyers going after everyone in a fatality, including the wing ding companies.


Thanks Dwight. I appreciate your honesty and your understanding.

I have seen so many posts on this thread dismissing the need for a window and I just dont get it. Maybe on large bodies of water this is the case, but Im on a small lake with a lot of boat traffic in the summer. I just cant see myself using a Wing without a window.

But since I havent yet tried a Wing, all these posts about not needing a window made me wonder if maybe I really didnt need one. Its nice to see someone with some experience confirm what Im thinking.

So for me, I am waiting until sometime early in the New Year before pulling the trigger and getting some gear. I was hoping F-One might come out with a Wing with a window, but from what you are saying, this seems unlikely. It looks like the Gong Wing Plus has a window, so thats what Ill probably end up with. 

Thanks again. Appreciate your insight.
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Re: Wing window thread
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2019, 09:46:05 AM »
At least the F-One Swing's have really bright colors!   ;D
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Re: Wing window thread
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2019, 12:12:58 PM »
The problem with a window is that it only works downwind, as far as I can see. I have windows on three wings and only use them headed downwind, and even then I can see better by  letting the wing fly up in front of me. The window is in the middle of the wing and much smaller than a windsurfing wing, and is rarely in a position to have value on any point of sail other than when the wing is in front of you.

Do what you like, Quick, but if you're choosing a wing based on the availability of a window I think you'd be disappointed in the utility of it. Other than Julie I haven't heard anyone who has a DuoTone that thinks it's important, and she's a downwind addict.
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Re: Wing window thread
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2019, 12:29:33 PM »
The problem with a window is that it only works downwind, as far as I can see. I have windows on three wings and only use them headed downwind, and even then I can see better by  letting the wing fly up in front of me. The window is in the middle of the wing and much smaller than a windsurfing wing, and is rarely in a position to have value on any point of sail other than when the wing is in front of you.

Do what you like, Quick, but if you're choosing a wing based on the availability of a window I think you'd be disappointed in the utility of it. Other than Julie I haven't heard anyone who has a DuoTone that thinks it's important, and she's a downwind addict.

Thanks Pono. I do appreciate it. And I really do appreciate all the opinions. But I think for my own comfort and peace of mind my first Wing will have a window. Maybe if I can get anywhere near proficient Ill find I dont need it any more. But I think while Im learning I would have a much higher comfort level with a window. At least thats what Im thinking right now. But I've gone back and forth so much on this, who knows what I'll be thinking when I'm actually ready to purchase.
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