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Re: Wing specific boards
« Reply #165 on: April 28, 2020, 03:28:22 PM »
Man, I want to make the trip down from SE/VA to session with you guys when this whole lockdown eases up!
Yeah, looking forward to the visitor ban being lifted.  Hopefully towards the end of May. Ocean should be warming up by then as well

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Re: Wing specific boards
« Reply #166 on: May 15, 2020, 07:26:42 AM »

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Re: Wing specific boards
« Reply #167 on: May 24, 2020, 07:53:03 AM »
Double channel bottom board -- different strokes for different folks.

Sure looks like a lot of fun!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQQNMJCROek

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« Reply #168 on: May 24, 2020, 09:08:26 AM »
Cool video, I would love to jump like that. Zane is a great guy but he's the last person I'd use as an indication of what is usable or doable for humans. His standup surfboards wouldn't support a 70-pound kid--they look like standard shortboards for the most part. Inspirational? Absolutely. Usable information about what works? Only if you're in that tiny group of people that grew up on a wave.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: Wing specific boards
« Reply #169 on: May 24, 2020, 10:03:19 AM »
That double channel makes for a great bottom handle

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Re: Wing specific boards
« Reply #170 on: May 30, 2020, 10:43:57 AM »
Iím sorta guessing this means Groove (based in Italy) is now producing wing foiling boards (maybe SUP as well). No discussion to go with the picís and nothing new on the website. They are well known for quality recreational/race kite foil boards and generally sell direct to customers. Iím assuming people outside of kite foiling have never heard of them.
(Iíve had a Groove Skate kite foil board for a couple of seasons now)

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Re: Wing specific boards
« Reply #171 on: May 30, 2020, 10:52:53 AM »
Yup, Groove makes nice boards but they need to put a handle on the bottom.  To me, it is a must for any wing boards I consider in the future.

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« Reply #172 on: May 30, 2020, 02:50:23 PM »
I hope Groove is making those stronger than their kitefoil boards. There were some issues with the standard skate. I broke one in half :-/

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« Reply #173 on: May 31, 2020, 12:18:40 AM »
I hope Groove is making those stronger than their kitefoil boards. There were some issues with the standard skate. I broke one in half :-/
Never had the slightest issue with my Skate including numerous high speed abrupt groundings. Oh well. I wouldnít expect a Groove wing board to be bomb proof heavy and I wouldnít expect it to be cheap. Weíll see.

Speaking of smaller wing specific boards, this was a recent review link from Wingsurfmag posted in Wingsurf Group on Facebook;

[Letís start with the Lemon Pro 4í8íí. The board is very light, even lighter than the Fanatic Sky Wing 4í8íí. The Lemon Pro 4í8íí has a volume of 70 Liters and allows knee waterstarts. Overall, it is a super user friendly hyper fun yet performing board that requires less skill than the Fanatic Sky Wing 4í8íí.]

Bottom line: The Lemon had 15 more liters than the 55 liter Sky Wing, so easier knee starting, and was still lighter than the Sky Wing. They liked the Fanatic but you can tell their favorite. Of course durability wasnít really discussed.  Always a balance between performance, ease of use, bomb-proof,...and cost.  Might have to try and talk DW into building me a 4í8Ē, 70L Innegra board with foot strap inserts (so I can torture my knees trying to jump.......) later this season :D
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Re: Wing specific boards
« Reply #174 on: May 31, 2020, 04:03:06 AM »
The Sky Wing 4'8 is probably going to be for a very different rider than the Lemon 4'8.  22 inches wide vs 27 on the smallest Lemon.  15 less liters as well.  The Fanatics are not the lightest option.  It would be great to have them be lighter (that could only help) but if the strength is there (it seems to be, but time will tell) they feel as expected.  We lost significant weight from our old boards so they are light to us and they are very nimble in use. 


It would also be great to see Fanatic expand the Sky Wing line (or separate it into 2 lines, which it really is)  and add 2 more sizes above the 5'4.  A 5'8 x 27 and a 5'10 x 28 would be really well received.  Those are still nice, compact dimensions and would be great additions. 
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Re: Wing specific boards
« Reply #175 on: May 31, 2020, 07:17:11 AM »
The Sky Wing 4'8 is probably going to be for a very different rider than the Lemon 4'8.  22 inches wide vs 27 on the smallest Lemon.  15 less liters as well.  The Fanatics are not the lightest option.  It would be great to have them be lighter (that could only help) but if the strength is there (it seems to be, but time will tell) they feel as expected.  We lost significant weight from our old boards so they are light to us and they are very nimble in use. 


It would also be great to see Fanatic expand the Sky Wing line (or separate it into 2 lines, which it really is)  and add 2 more sizes above the 5'4.  A 5'8 x 27 and a 5'10 x 28 would be really well received.  Those are still nice, compact dimensions and would be great additions.
Completely agree. Durability is a big factor. How all these boards hold up getting pounded in big surf or handle jumps from a 110 kg rider remains to be seen. I donít fault Fanatic at all for being a bit conservative. Same goes for hand wings and foils. Tried to pretend I could ride my 4m Duotone just now in these winds. Not fun. Heck, it took everything I could muster to rig gear without the wind launching it into hard objects......Quitting while Iím ahead and anxiously awaiting delivery of a 3.3m Echo......
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Re: Wing specific boards
« Reply #176 on: May 31, 2020, 07:49:20 AM »
The Lemon choosing to go wider, to recover lost volume from being shorter, is something I debated a lot.

When I was winging on a SUP in the early days. The two big drawbacks were rails hitting from width, and nose weight when pumping.

I decided rails kissing the water bothered me the most. Heeling it over upwinding, going rail to rail in waves, tail corners kissing in turns.

So I picked my width, then reduced length as much as possible. Ultimately it landed me with a length that doesnít nose in and submarine during kook moments.

Itís fun to see where everyone goes with wing board sizing.
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Re: Wing specific boards
« Reply #177 on: May 31, 2020, 08:04:45 AM »
The Gong boards are definitely on the wide end of the spectrum (for given volume) but the current trend may be in that direction.  FOne recently came out with V2 of their wing specific board.  The best I can tell, nothing has changed except for different sizes from V1 with more width/volume.  The width will help beginners kneel start a smaller volume board but I think there is definitely a penalty to pay once on foil.  In addition to hitting the water more, I find wider boards harder to maneuver and harder to ride toeside.  We naturally associate swing weight with length but I think width also matters quite a bit.  (maybe as much as length)

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« Reply #178 on: May 31, 2020, 09:39:56 PM »
The Lemon choosing to go wider, to recover lost volume from being shorter, is something I debated a lot.

When I was winging on a SUP in the early days. The two big drawbacks were rails hitting from width, and nose weight when pumping.

I decided rails kissing the water bothered me the most. Heeling it over upwinding, going rail to rail in waves, tail corners kissing in turns.

So I picked my width, then reduced length as much as possible. Ultimately it landed me with a length that doesnít nose in and submarine during kook moments.

Itís fun to see where everyone goes with wing board sizing.

Iíve read enough of Patriceís posts to know that he definitely favors easy knee start boards (even for advanced riders), and compensates for all that easy-knee-start-extra-width with a seriously long Carbon mast (100 cm) which he also promotes to advanced riders. Itís what he rides all the time. No worry of rails catching the water when your riding fairly high on 100 cm mast.  He wonít even produce a carbon mast in the 80-90 cm range, just a 70 cm that you will almost never see any Gong riders using. That 100 cm mast promotion to go with those wide Lemonís is definitely a bit unconventional, but itís sorta hard to fault a guy who isnít 25 yrs old and still rides 100 times better than most mere mortals ever will.

 He also thinks water start boards are way beyond average rider skills/stamina, are worthless in lighter winds,  and even the body weight (in kg) minus ~10-15 L rule of thumb isnít always worth the extra hassle. I notice more and more riders saying that as well.  Even with plenty of wind, thinking someoneís gonna advance to doing windsurf style water starts like Alan Cadiz while taking 20+ sessions just to figure out flying foot switching does make me chuckle a bit....

Kinda reminds me of the tiny high wind windsurf board I barely ever used and the silly little 110 cm Hannah Crew twin tip board I briefly had in the early kiteboarding days......
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Re: Wing specific boards
« Reply #179 on: June 01, 2020, 03:11:44 AM »
Given the choice I would go longer before wider to add stability.  I am actually really liking the 26 inch width on my new board.  In a lot of ways that (narrower for me) width is actually making it easier while getting started.  Now that I basically know the width that I need my knees or my feet at while trying a start, it is helpful to be able to edge in a bit.  The missing length is a little harder.  Even with a relatively flat base, my board is very pitch sensitive. When I blow it it is almost always because I am too forward.  That is not pretty.

On the Sky Wings it feels like there is very little weight in the nose.  With the bamboo, two handles, foil tracks, footstrap inserts, hardware, plugs, pad, kick and arch bar being towards the tail, the nose has nothing going on and is very light.  I would have been open to a 5'6 or a 5'8 in this same concept if it were available.  That is what I was originally thought I was looking for.  I am stoked now that I have this, though :).

I completely agree that going too small on a wing specific kneestart board is more frustration that it is worth.  On the other hand, if the difference between our SUP foilboards and our Sky Wings is any indicator then the jump from these boards to 7-8 lb, 4'ish waterstart boards should be epic.  I am down for the pain of learning.  It doesn't have to be an everyday thing.  We have amazing boards for that now.   
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