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Lake Session: Sup Sports One World
« on: August 24, 2019, 08:44:29 AM »
A little experimentation for today.

Earlier today, from 6:40 am till 8:15 am, I did some experimentation on my One World based on what I did with my Duke in a previous session.

I'm 5'8", 145 pounds. My One World is 11"1" x 30" x 4.5" @ 173 liters. My Duke is 10'5" x 32" x 4.5" @ 190 liters. The One World has a pulled in pointed nose while the Duke has a more rounded nose which is good for nose riding.

The paddle I use for both is a 2017 model Naish Alana 75 Vario (adjustable) RDS (reduced diameter shaft). With my One World, I "was" using a 68" paddle length. With my Duke, I use a 66" paddle length.

Today I wanted to see if I could paddle a straight line with my One World, like I can with my Duke, using a 4 fin quad fin setup (2, 5") (2, 4") with a 66" paddle length instead of my usual 68" length. Why did I want to paddle a straight line with this 4 fin quad setup? With the prevailing tiny to small wind driven waves usually found on the upper Texas coast (1'-2' in height), I prefer to surf my long length wise and large liter volume boards with a 4 fin quad setup. With more liters of volume than what I weigh, I can get a nice long gliding ride due to the small dynamic lift these waves can generate. 

BTW; a 9' x 28" @ 125 liters performance sup and the rider weighing 190 pounds (and up) on the waves normally found on the upper Texas coast, the rider won't be surfing any long distance (if at all) since there isn't enough dynamic lift in these waves to give the rider a long ride. You'll basically be wallowing.

This morning there again was no wind, dead calm. Perfect lake conditions for experimentation. Since I'm so light in weight at 145 pounds, I have a large sweet spot where I can stand on my One World and on my Duke since they both have more liters of volume in them compared to my weight.

With both boards, I can place the heel of both of my feet just a little ways right and left above the opening on the top of the BP Sup Grip handle, going towards the nose of both boards.

I've learned how to paddle with my left and right hands by just placing the top of the T-handle against the palm of my hand with only my thumb under the T-handle. My four fingers do not grip the T-handle. This type of grip forces both of my arms to paddle without bending my arms on the down or up stroke.

I was easily able to paddle a straight line, paddling only on my right side and never switching over to my left side with this grip above and sometimes adjusting the angle of the paddle blade to keep paddling in a straight line. The video below makes it easier to see how I paddle in a straight line than by trying to explain it.



With a 66" paddle length, the top of my hand height wise, is about where t he top of my chest meets the hole at the beginning of my throat (right below the Adam's Apple). This short 66" length is perfect for my two surgically repaired right and left shoulder joints.

With a 4 fin quad setup for both my One World and Duke, I don't have to change out fin setups if I don't want to whether I'm paddling on flat  water (lake, coastal cruising,) or sup (wave, tanker) surfing.

There are trade offs though. With a 4 fin quad setup instead of a large 9" single fin, the quad setup gives up some glide, some speed and some manoeuvrability (turning) on flat water. But I'm into leisurely paddling. Just enjoying the ride.

As an example. If I'm gong from Point A to Point B; but if something on the bank catches my interest, I'll paddle over there to check it out, which I will call Point C. After my curiosity has been satisfied, then I will  resume/continue on to Point B.
Blue Planet Duke: 10'5" x 32" x 4.5" @ 190 Liters
Sup Sports Hammer: 8'11" x 31" x 4" @ 140 Liters
SUP Sports One World: 11'1" x 30" x 4.5" @ 173 Liters

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Re: Lake Session: Sup Sports One World
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2019, 07:32:23 PM »
I think you should chart this. You have enough data to put together a spreadsheet. Have you tried a large single fin? If you don't have one, pm me and I'll send you a couple. In case you haven't paddled a racing / touring displacement board, they paddle very different than the all around planing hull style boards you have. On planing hull boards if you weight the right side, you start to turn right. That's why they surf well. When you paddle on the right side, it tends to push the board to the left. So as you paddle on one side, your weight is turning the board to the right. As you paddle on the right you're steering the board to the left. You end up just going straight.
With a displacement hull (like a canoe) as you weight the right side, the board turns left. The rounder the bottom, the more it turns away from you paddle side. So as you paddle on the right, not only is your paddle turning the board left, the board is turning left because of the rounded hull. What helps is that the race / touring boards to go straight is they tend to be much longer and that reduces the counter steering. Plus they glide much more.
I paddle my 10' all around board much different than my 8'8 sup surf board and my 18' unlimited race board. Different cadence, stroke length, and power with each of them. I also paddle with different length paddles on each board. It tends to be the shorter the board, the shorter the paddle.
Let me know if you want to try a bigger single fin?
« Last Edit: August 25, 2019, 07:35:01 PM by TallDude »

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Re: Lake Session: Sup Sports One World
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2019, 01:55:24 AM »
When I first bought my One World, I bought 6 performance fins for it (Bamboo). They are (1, 9" center fin box) (2, 5" front sidebite) (2, 4" rear sidebite) and (1, 2.25" nubster center fin box).

I have paddled on both flatwater (lake) and saltwater (marshes) with the single 9" fin. I could always paddle a straight line with my One World with the paddle length set at 68" and only paddling on my right side.

With my Duke, I have two sets of fins. The plastic fins which came with my Duke are (1, 9" center fin box) (4, 4.5") and then a set of Gerry Lopez GL2 Sup 5 Fin Set which are (1, 5.13" center fin box) (2, 5.13" front sidebite) ( 2, 4.34" rear sidebite). With the 9" plastic fin, on flatwater (lake) I could paddle a straight line using only my right side.

I wanted to see if I could paddle a straight line, right side only with my Duke first with a 66" paddle length using the quad fin setup (2, 5.13" front sidebite) (2, 4.34" rear sidebite) and I could.

This last outing with my One World, I wanted to see if I could paddle a straight line, using only my right side with the quad fin setup ( 2, 5" front sidebite) (2, 4" rear side bite), but to shorten the paddle length from 68" to 66" and I could with the 66" paddle length.

I had to make a slight variation with the paddle blade angle since the One World is 30" wide and the Duke is 32" wide. On all of my experimentation days, there was no wind (dead calm) since we are under a dome of very hot high pressure which suppresses the wind. But no wind makes for great experimentation sessions and my sessions are 2 hours long.

Even though my One World 11'1" has a pulled in pointed nose and my Duke 10'5" has a planing type of nose (nose riding), I could paddle a straight line paddling on my right side as long as I used a different blade angle.

I've never been one to "run with the pack" or follow "conventional wisdom". When people say "it has to be this way only", if there is a way and I find it, then other people's "this is the only way" is the one I "toss" to the curb because I've proved it wrong.

In the maritime industry, when people said "this boat has to be piloted this way in these conditions", when I left the dock to pilot the boat in those conditions, I put those words to the test and I found out by experimentation, those words were "not" always true. It basically came down to modifying details which could change the outcome from "cannnot" to "can" with my piloting skills set.
Blue Planet Duke: 10'5" x 32" x 4.5" @ 190 Liters
Sup Sports Hammer: 8'11" x 31" x 4" @ 140 Liters
SUP Sports One World: 11'1" x 30" x 4.5" @ 173 Liters