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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #285 on: June 11, 2021, 11:58:18 AM »
Diving deep into the tech in the Plaid I realized how staggeringly far Tesla has come in nine years. And how ridiculously far ahead of everyone else they currently are and will still diverge from the pack. As good as the Ford F150 Lightning looks, anything Tesla does will incorporate technology that they built themselves, that has advanced at speeds that aren't even generally possible in the more mature corners of the general tech industry. Somehow they manage to shrug off legacy drag and progress at the speed of a clean-slate startup. It's really kind of spooky. The redundant computing power in a single current release Tesla is well into the supercomputer range of just a few years ago. The geek world went a bit nuts when Sony disclosed that the new PS5 would have 10.4 teraflops of processing power. The largest supercomputers achieved ten teraflops in 2002. Now there's a supercomputer in Japan that does 400 petaflops. Any computer that can do a petaflop is currently considered a supercomputer, and that is just 100 times faster than the redundant Tesla computer, which has separate neural network and image processing capabilities.

It's getting a bit nutty.
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #286 on: June 13, 2021, 02:10:19 AM »
This is a crazy vehicle.  Whacky science fiction stuff even a few years ago.  If it hadn't already been proven (it probably had) that EV's could outperform ICE counterparts, well, that is done now. 

Here is an interesting article on the groups that are currently producing or vying for full self driving.  https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/04/who-will-win-the-self-driving-race-here-are-8-possibilities/ 

Lots of different approaches but it is safe to say that there will be multiple players on the field.



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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #287 on: September 29, 2021, 03:38:44 AM »
Her is a really nicely done review of the now shipping Rivian.  This thing is a beast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh1yihYQYew

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« Reply #288 on: September 29, 2021, 09:56:31 AM »
This is going to be a fun one to watch.  R1 series, truck, SUV soon, (maybe a van), Rivian/Ford partnership, Rivian/Amazon relationship (you can't have their van), likely R2 series...all this and a looming IPO too.


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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #289 on: September 30, 2021, 09:45:06 AM »
Here is another great video.  Starts with a lot of offroad footage (so cool with no noise) but ends showing off all of the features.  Some really impressive engineering on this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGqexebCcUo

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« Reply #290 on: September 30, 2021, 10:38:21 AM »
Wow, the Rivian looks like a very impressive start up. I’ve watched a few videos now and it is truly innovative and most importantly, nailed what most truck owners would likely want. Well, seemingly so and production models will tell the real story but this is what I would want out of an electric truck.  Ticks a lot of boxes.  The pass through storage feature and what you can do with it for camping and whatever else is genius. This is common place on travel trailers but the first time i’ve seen it on a domestic vehicle. The off road performance looks great and on road does as well. With big investment from Ford and Amazon, hopefully this vehicle will evolve and continue to get better.

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« Reply #291 on: September 30, 2021, 11:47:53 AM »
Unlike Tesla (having sold more than 200,000 units), Rivian is still eligible for the $7,500 tax credit.

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« Reply #292 on: September 30, 2021, 01:02:48 PM »
Yes the rebate here in Canada and the US makes a difference. We are looking at upgrading our model 3 to a Y to have a better vehicle for transportation of dogs and boards. At the moment however the wait time for a new Tesla is 6 months. This has created a very odd market in Vancouver where one or two year old 3s and Ys are selling for more than retail. The demand is coming to the tipping point. If the cost of buying a new EV drops now with new cheaper battery tech the demand will balloon. It appear that we are poised for a rapid change. Cheers Bob
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« Reply #293 on: October 07, 2021, 07:20:39 AM »
Yes, we're sitting on the cusp of some very weird things in the vehicle world. A few years ago you'd be ridiculed for predicting that Toyota could go bankrupt. Now it's something close to a doctrine that unless they change course very soon they will collapse. I have my doubts about that, but they certainly will be harmed--have been harmed. The market for ICE cars is imploding quietly. If Tesla manages to realize their plans for robotaxis I expect it to be gutted. Ownership of personal cars will be optional for most people with no convenience penalty. In fact, in many cases, robotaxis will be far more convenient.

Watching the race for light truck supremacy is like watching a horribly slow race. No one ever had to be impatient for a new truck to be produced and available before. You just went to the dealerships and bought what they had on the lot. Any change was incremental and small. Now a few million light truck buyers are literally watching every move, waiting for the first deliveries of a mass-market electric truck. Ten percent of the entire vehicle market goes to the winner if they can manufacture them fast enough. Unprecedented. The change won't be just fanboys, the benefits for commercial vehicles is actually far greater than even the most aggressive pundit has expressed. Work trucks that power an entire jobsite, refill overnight at a fraction of the usual fuel cost, fundamentally never require maintenance or repair, carry more, pull more, with a lower TCO? Damn few work trucks get driven more than 40 miles a day. The battery size will be more about how long you can power the jobsite than how far you can drive.

It's fun to watch.
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #294 on: October 08, 2021, 05:34:24 AM »
Yup.  This first group of trucks is going to change the mass perception.  Another tipping point.  You just have to listen to the reactions of these guys.  They are exceeding expectations in every category.  Tesla, Ford, Rivian, possibly others.  These are such stupidly capable vehicles and they are the vehicles that we drive and want to drive. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdaC-HVd9Ww

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« Reply #295 on: October 08, 2021, 06:10:46 AM »
Here are some interesting thoughts on how EV's will be "taxed" (in lieu of fuel taxes) in the near term.  For any of you "Bean counters" out there.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/energy/new-fees-on-hybrid-and-electric-vehicles.aspx


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« Reply #297 on: October 09, 2021, 07:48:23 AM »
Wolf street article was great. Whether or not you agree it laid out some fundamental things that are true.

Best part was the comments. You could see the political stances which will affect investor decisions and cost people money, both ways. Hilarious to see human flaws so on display (“I don’t like socialism so I don’t think this will work”, “I think we need to save the environment so we must invest”) Decisions driven by belief, not the numbers.

Also quaint, “I live in (tiny market) X and no one wants an electric vehicle here.” As if markets and demand never change over overnight and don’t evolve elsewhere and then come to others.

It makes me sad that we’ve lost the ability to educate and think critically but also happy that there is still an edge available when investing.

Don’t want to derail the thread, post more cars/trucks, but just noting that.

The new VW van will be here next year and there’ll be a nicer version a year or two after that. Exciting if they keep the price moderate.

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« Reply #298 on: October 09, 2021, 07:58:59 PM »
There's really very little difference in Americans' ability to think critically, but there's a big difference in the ability to muster enough understanding for the critical thought to matter. I read a lot of history, it's hard to find critical thinking ability in any group, anywhere, any time. Belief is easy, thinking and understanding are hard and getting harder. People will believe almost anything that reinforces their existing beliefs, and reject anything that would diminish them. The underlying conundrum is that human knowledge is infinite, but individual capabilities are pathetically limited. The divide between what is possible through collective knowledge and what is understood on an individual basis is increasing exponentially. That makes it almost impossible to make an informed decision. At some point, people have to trust experts, and given our ruthless political system, that trust is hard to come by.

People say they don't want to be vaccinated because they don't have enough information. They're willing to gobble up endless nonsense but somehow they're going to sort through all the shit and understand how RNA vaccines function and how they affect the immune system?  I'm not going to hold my breath waiting--unless they're ranting without a mask.

I've heard what appear to be normal human beings parrot every myth about EV's that has ever been fed to them even when a little lightweight contemplation would drop the credence of the myth to nearly zero.

A few days ago a seemingly rational acquaintance told me lithium batteries are impossible to recycle. I didn't even try to mention the billion-dollar recycling facilities J.B. Straubel is building. I just said, "If you can dig ore out of the ground and turn it into batteries, doesn't it seem that dead batteries, which have all the stuff still present in far more refined form than ore, could be ground up and refined even more easily?" His answer was, "Well I don't know what the problem is, but I know it's impossible."

So...  ...okay. I couldn't argue with that.
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