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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #150 on: November 26, 2019, 07:34:09 PM »
And now back to actual Surf Vehicles. 2020 US release confirmed. I'll get out with a bunch of my friends in wetsuits and hit it with a paddle ;D
https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/microbus

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It's not overhead to me!
8'8" L-41 ST and a whole pile of boards I rarely use.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #151 on: November 26, 2019, 09:10:33 PM »
EV trucks have about a thousand or more horsepower in brakes--before the pads hit the disk. Dynamic braking. When they start using ultracapacitors for dynamic braking all that power will make it's way back into the battery. As it is a fair amount does, but hard sustained braking can exceed the charge rate limits of the battery. Keeping a 14,500-pound trailer under control down the continental divide will mostly charge the battery. No friction brakes involved, unless someone does somthing dramatic in front of you and you need to completely stop.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #152 on: November 27, 2019, 01:50:04 AM »
And now back to actual Surf Vehicles. 2020 US release confirmed. I'll get out with a bunch of my friends in wetsuits and hit it with a paddle ;D
https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/microbus

2020 would be awesome (link says 2022).  Don't let your friends throw their balls at the windows.

Here is an interesting link about trucks and what production goals and capacity are looking like from various brands.  Regardless of production start dates it looks like most of us on these lists will have long waits after production starts.  The article questions if the demand is there but I don't question that at all.  It seems like there is an abundance of ready and willing buyers just waiting for trucks, real SUV's or minivans to come available.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-electric-trucks/eight-electric-pickup-truck-manufacturers-to-load-up-u-s-market-by-2021-idUSKBN1XZ1W7
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #153 on: November 27, 2019, 05:27:10 AM »
I just picked up a new volt for 20k after tax credits. May take a little conversion
for surf vehicle. I also have a bolt. Its a great car but range is limiting. I prefer the
ICE as a backup. Went to Portland last weekend which is something a bolt with 280 mile range would take
a while to do. Not interested in waiting for recharge.

The volt covers my local needs with electricity and my travel needs with fuel. I just gotta
figure a rack system but the rear door opens and my board should fit. I don't care as I live
most the year at the beach.

My experience with electric cars is their value drops faster than your principle reduction of a monthly payment.
This makes for a buying opportunity for a great used electric vehicle. I see used volts for 10K. That should
pay for its self with fuel savings.

I would love the VW van, I had one for many years. I would not love the hole in the wallet and
rapid depreciation.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #154 on: November 27, 2019, 06:51:13 AM »
I get the sense that this window of opportunity to buy used EV's cheap will be short lived as the observed longevity of EV's climb.   So get 'em while they're hot!

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #155 on: November 27, 2019, 08:47:20 AM »
The Volt is a great car, we have one in Maui, and the battery will last much longer than any of the critics claim. My plan for this summer is to pick up a used Tesla Model S 100D, something after 2016, which is also a bargain. 2021 or 2 seems like a long time to wait but full production capability for the Truck is going to take quite a while. No one has done production of a vehicle built this way yet, so there's a lot to be learned.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #156 on: November 27, 2019, 09:31:43 AM »
I don't mind the two year wait for my cyber-truck. I think its going to take me that long to convince my wife I really need a truck that big to replace my 4runner, which she thinks is monster big.  ;)

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #157 on: November 27, 2019, 07:27:57 PM »
The step-in height of the front seats (head clearance) is 75 inches. I'll be able to get in without ducking or folding. One of the best things about a pickmeup truck. No bending. I had to do the limbo to get into Diane's Boxster.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #158 on: November 28, 2019, 02:28:20 AM »
I had missed it but Ford just announced their 2020 all electric Mustang Mach-E SUV on the 17th.  They think they can produce 50,000 next year.  0-60 in, yup, a now familiar 3.5 seconds.  Range at 300 miles, options starting at 40 K before tax credit.  Ford claims it will have the largest charging network in the United States—even larger than Tesla. Its network will include 12,000 charging stations with a total of 35,000 stations in the U.S. and some parts of Canada.

Configure here: https://www.ford.com/buy/mach-e/build-and-price.html#/colour?series=ACMRJ_VS-LE&powertrain=DR--F_EN-EJ_HTHAD_TR-WA&paint=PN4HJ

Fantastic looking vehicle but it looks tough to rack so I am not sure that it is an SUV (or a Mustang?).  They have sold out of their First Edition.  Ford is also doing a Full sized SUV branded Lincoln on the Rivian Skateboard chassis.  Things are heating up.


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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #159 on: November 28, 2019, 10:00:08 AM »
Looks like a Model S with a Ford badge on it. One of the serious challenges of building a EV that looks different is aerodynamics--design by wind tunnel. Since they don't need to reject 70 percent of the power generated as heat an EV can have a truly aero-efficient nose. And they need to. That's the dumbass thing about the Rivian truck--it has a standard truck look with a hood area to hold the engine they don't have and a nose with the aero of a garage door to house the radiator it doesn't have. A Tesla Model S long range can do 370 miles from a 100KWH battery. That's the energy equivalent of 2.7 gallons of gasoline. You don't do 137 MPG pushing a garage door down the highway even at 55mph.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #160 on: November 28, 2019, 10:34:57 AM »
It is those 911 side windows.  That basic shape has been pirated all around.  This new Ford has a lot of 911 in it.  Maybe more than the Taycan. 

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #161 on: November 28, 2019, 11:56:33 AM »
Where is the there any "Mustang" in the SUV. Ford can only sell two vehicles, 150 trucks and Mustangs.  They can't call their new SUV a 150, so they are calling it Mustang.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #162 on: November 28, 2019, 02:20:01 PM »

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #163 on: November 28, 2019, 02:30:10 PM »
interesting, Mustang dropped 43% this year.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #164 on: November 28, 2019, 02:48:33 PM »
That's the dumbass thing about the Rivian truck--it has a standard truck look with a hood area to hold the engine they don't have and a nose with the aero of a garage door to house the radiator it doesn't have. A Tesla Model S long range can do 370 miles from a 100KWH battery. That's the energy equivalent of 2.7 gallons of gasoline. You don't do 137 MPG pushing a garage door down the highway even at 55mph.

That is a big part of what Musk missed.  It seems like he isn't a truck guy :).  Rivian designed their Truck with their user in mind.  They have a super cool and modular (included) rack system that mounts tool free to the roof, the rails and the bed.  Reposition, extend or add to it.  That is normal use for trucks.  Bolt big racks to them and load them up.  The racks stay on.  That isn't aerodynamically ideal but it is reality for this vehicle type.   

 


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