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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #90 on: September 14, 2019, 04:39:31 PM »
I don't think the efficiency issue comes home until you either spend some time with a Tesla or do a little physics. A Tesla 100D long range like Diane's has a 100KW battery. That's roughly equivalent to three gallons of gasoline. Which means if a Tesla was an internal combustion engine car it would be getting 120 miles per gallon carrying five passengers and all their stuff and still be able to out accelerate any supercar.

I still hear that dumb rap about EV batteries polluting more than ICE's and being powered by coal plants. It's too stupid to respond to, pure propaganda that people would have to just gulp down without examining even the most obvious points, never mind researching any aspect.
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #91 on: September 25, 2019, 08:16:05 AM »
Amazon was pretty clear with its intentions for Rivian but 100,000 delivery trucks?  That is a big order.

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/rivian-just-got-a-huuuge-order-for-its-electric-delivery-trucks-ar186626.html


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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #92 on: September 25, 2019, 10:02:24 AM »
It's just missing some custom Art Deco trim above the windshield ;)

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #93 on: September 25, 2019, 12:20:09 PM »
I could fix that for them...
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #94 on: September 25, 2019, 10:53:10 PM »
So its been one year since I got the model 3.  $57k at that time, and we thought we would only drive it locally and maybe put 10k miles on it.  Well 22k miles later, after one year, and no loss in battery capacity.  You will never have more fun driving a car than this.  (well maybe with a p100d)  A good friend was about to spend $62k on a new 5 series BMW.  It was a beautiful car.  We spent less than an hour driving around in my model 3 and he put in an order for a dual motor performance version, that cost him $78k.  Looking forward to getting in that when it comes.
I save at least $6,000 a year in gas now, and have way more fun driving.  When the Rivian comes out, we are selling our 2016 Chevy Silverado and going 100% electric.  Also just ordered the Tesla solar panels for our roof.  $16,000 after tax credit and break even is 5.5 years out.  Am I crazy? Maybe, but even if the economics of electric vehicles doesn't  work out.  They are just way more fun to drive. 
If you haven't driven one, you are missing out.
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #95 on: September 26, 2019, 06:37:29 PM »
Yup, everyone that has a pocket full of oil company propaganda as talking points pretty much shuts up after they drive one--not because they've done enough research to realize how much bullshit they've been swallowing, but for one simple reason--so much fun.

My wife has owned a lot of nice cars, like everyone else I know who has one, she considers her Tesla to be the best car she's ever owned.
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #96 on: September 29, 2019, 07:51:12 PM »
Diane's grocery-getter long-range (335 miles) P100D has 746 horsepower and 743 foot-pounds of torque. That's insane. My Turbo F350 Diesel is weenie by comparison.  When I floor her Tesla with passengers in the car they scream for as long as I hold the pedal down. No smoking tires, not even a squeak, just noisy people in the back.
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #97 on: September 29, 2019, 11:17:15 PM »
This thread has really made me think about my next vehicle. We have a 2009 Mazda 5 and a 2011 Mazda 3. We will probably have the Mazda 3 for a number of years yet, as it’s my wife’s car and she doesn’t put much mileage on it. We had been thinking of getting rid of the Mazda 5 and were initially thinking about maybe a Mazda 9, or Honda Pilot or maybe a Toyota Highlander. Something along those lines. But this thread, and the information provided and opinions expressed has really opened my eyes. We have decided for right now we are going to keep the Mazda 5 a little longer as it still has some good life left in it. But when the time comes, we are going to take a good, hard look at electrical. I really do like the look of that Rivian SUV. And if there is going to be a swing to electrical cars on any kind of large scale, why put out all that money on an internal combustion engine. Just seems like it makes less and less sense to do so.
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #98 on: September 30, 2019, 03:29:19 AM »
much as id like some sort of van to just chuck bikes boards gear into, seems best move is to wait

only problem is that older cities with high rates of street parking will remain a challenge long after electric is the obvious approach for most of the country

i usually park my cars in a random street spot--no outlet available
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #99 on: September 30, 2019, 07:23:11 AM »
Yes, issues like that will take a longer to solve. With the newest 250KW per hour superchargers you can pick up 50KWH in twelve minutes, that's enough to go 150 miles. But superchargers need to be as convenient as gas stations, which is certainly feasible. The logistics and cost of transporting gasoline to fill storage tanks is much more burdensome than running a wire, but it takes time for infrastructure to change.

It will be interesting to see how the Maxell acquisition plays out for Tesla. The dry Lithium batteries Maxell developed have both higher storage capacity per unit volume but also could more than double recharge rate. DC to DC charging could wind up being limited by wire size.
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #100 on: September 30, 2019, 07:31:49 AM »
There was some talk a while back about eventually building inductive charging roads.  Now that would be pretty cool.

 


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