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Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« on: August 22, 2019, 04:23:56 AM »
It seems like 2020 may be the year that we start seeing viable surf EV's in the USA.  I am stoked on that idea!  The Mercedes EQV van looks really nice with 253 miles of range.  An 80% charge in 45 minutes sounds good.  99 MPH will make Chan happy.  I still yell at people for flashing me off at 65 "what's your rush, Andretti".  Looks like Mercedes, VW and possibly others will also have some smaller SUV's available.  The VW ID BUZZ looks great as well but I believe that is slated for 2022.  Hopefully the US sees all of these.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1124642_mercedes-benz-eqv-electric-minivan-revealed



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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2019, 04:46:36 AM »
yeah, i need new wheels but have been waiting for something hybrid/electric in the cargo van style. the VW Buzz looks awesome, but VW's have such a bad rep in general. That Mercedes looks like another bland minivan. Is it really that hard to deliver a good looking van? (apparently so). And it seems there would be a market for utility vehicles like this that don't require heavy hauling/towing capacities, thereby delivering much better energy efficiency, be it fuel or battery.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2019, 04:55:15 AM »
I've been looking at the Jeep Renegade pug-in hybrid to replace my CRV:

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/jeep/2019-jeep-renegade-hybrid-ar184867.html

Not a complete hybrid, but it gets about 30 miles.
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2019, 06:27:52 AM »
Yeah, I would buy one of these today if they were available.  370 HP, 300 Miles. They are doing a cargo version as well.  2022, though.  Faking emissions testing will be less of an issue with no emissions :).

http://newsroom.vw.com/vehicles/future-cars/official-the-vw-bus-is-back-and-its-electric/

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2019, 06:42:55 AM »
I should have kept Diane's 2014 Model S and used it as general transport. A perfectly cherry, low miles P85+ for 45K is ridiculously cheap. They actually have provision for a rack. Anyone looking at inexpensive electric cars should take a hard look at the used Model S market. Cars that sold new for 130K selling for 35K. Fantastic cars. Any of the dual-motor cars with appropriate rubber would be a fine surfmobile in the WTF category. 
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2019, 07:35:21 AM »
Yeah, I would buy one of these today if they were available.  370 HP, 300 Miles. They are doing a cargo version as well.  2022, though.  Faking emissions testing will be less of an issue with no emissions :).

http://newsroom.vw.com/vehicles/future-cars/official-the-vw-bus-is-back-and-its-electric/



Yeah, those new VWs are really cute. I can't see myself getting a full electric vehicle yet, but I like the progress. I wish there were more plug-in hybrids out there, especially ones that aren't sedans.
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2019, 09:41:56 AM »
    It'll be fun to watch this unfold. I have a few years before retirement, and would love to have a full EV surf car by then.
   For now I'm super-happy with my commuter beach-to-downtown car, a 2015 Chevy Volt (plug-in hybrid) that goes months between fill-ups. I've driven it a little more than 12K miles and used 69 gallons (most of those on two 750-mile road trips). Overnight charges on the porch and 176 mpg. Love the silent ride -- I hear a muscle car snorting and wheezing next to me and it sounds so prehistoric. Yeah, smugness is a real risk with these things.
    Should put racks on it, but for now the 8-6 fits nicely on the passenger side when the seats are down.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2019, 09:45:40 AM »
The electric truck..

https://rivian.com/


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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2019, 11:12:46 AM »
That's got to be one of the uglies SUV's I've ever seen, where can I get one?

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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2019, 04:56:37 PM »
Yup, fugly, but I'd order one if they were actually available. It will be interesting to see who gets to market first. Preorder doesn't count. There are lots of renderings around of what the Tesla pickup will look like. I think this one from Motor Trend is the most likely:



If it looks anything like that and performs as they claim, yeah, take my money. Want that.
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2019, 05:06:23 PM »
The electric truck..

https://rivian.com/

From what I'm reading, Ford is working with Rivian to develop their electric pickups.
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2019, 05:52:21 PM »
The electric truck..

https://rivian.com/

From what I'm reading, Ford is working with Rivian to develop their electric pickups.
And a little company called Amazon.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2019, 04:20:20 AM »
The Rivians look very cool and have amazing specs.  90K though for a pickup or SUV with the bigger battery.  The 230 mile range option is 70K but I wonder if you would be able to sell it in a few years with that lower range.  That is less of an issue on a less expensive vehicle. 

The VW ID 3 has a lot of preorders at 33K for a small crossover.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2019, 11:46:51 AM »
It's tough to consider anything but a Tesla. They have such a commanding lead in battery tech, range, experience, charger network, and ratings that I don't really understand why anyone buys any basic sedan other than a Model 3. The new V3 supercharger gives 75 miles of range in five minutes--250 KW per hour. If you have a P100 extended range you can top off at 375 miles of range in 25 minutes. Model S has been Motor Trend's car of the year every year since 2013.

But yeah, I want a pickup. For the things people use pickups for it has to have a heck of a battery. The motor part is easy, the delivered torque of even a model S is substantially more than my 6.7-liter diesel. But if you're going to pull a 15000-pound trailer you're gonna need a lot of stored power.

Apparently, Tesla has that well in hand with the semi. The spy reports on their testing have been that the truck at a max load of about 44,000 pounds the truck not only pulls 5% grades at 65 mph (unheard of) but also gets more than the projected 500 miles of range. It's got one gear. The controls consist of a steering wheel, brake pedal and throttle. one gear--reverse runs the motor backward. Without a trailer, it did 0-60 in 4.9 seconds.

Those are insane specifications, but not all that surprising. Trains have been electric for decades--the diesel drives a generator, and the wheels are driven by big old-tech motors. The advantage has always been full torque from 0 rpm and no need for a transmission or a clutch. The only maintenance is to the diesel and wheel replacement. Some of the motors are 40 years old and have covered multiple millions of miles.
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