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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #225 on: November 19, 2020, 03:51:11 PM »
I don't know how I missed this thread for so long!  I'm a huge electric vehicle nut, having worked in the industry (specifically electric vehicles) for a dozen years.  I bought one of the first few Tesla Model 3 ever made and would never dream of using it as a surf vehicle.  It'll be the ultimate classic car by the time I'm ready to pass it down to my grandkids. I daily drive it, but I do take good care.  Do I want salt water dripping onto the roof or into the trunk from my wetsuit - NO WAY.  I don't baby it, but it won't be used as a surf vehicle.

I like the look of the newly announced Ford Transit EV - that one could be a winner as a local surf vehicle.  I wouldn't think of roadtripping in it.

We've all seen the videos/movies/photos of oil spills, "No Blood for Oil", and all that, is there a similar no "Blood for Batteries" movement or issue, wars being fought over lithium or similar?

Clay, unfortunately yes there is.  Not lithium though.  The biggest issue today in batteries is Cobalt.  It is still mined in absolutely horrific conditions in third-world countries.  The industry is very aware of this and working to design chemistries with less cobalt as well as funding a number of new sustainable cobalt mining operations.  The problem has been that these mining operations take incredible capital and time to get going - and of course the cost will go up significantly due to not using slave labor.   This issue is incredibly troubling, but I do see that the automakers are quite serious about addressing it - though it isn't fixed yet.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #226 on: November 20, 2020, 02:07:46 AM »
I like the look of the newly announced Ford Transit EV - that one could be a winner as a local surf vehicle.

Yeah, that would be a winner if it had a bit more range.  Roosevelt and back is a must for us :).  I am really looking forward to some e mini vans.  Those are just way to convenient and easy for foiling gear. 
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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #227 on: November 25, 2020, 08:53:53 AM »
I've been wondering what was holding up Lithium battery recycling since it's obviously important and certainly a high potential margin operation. Lots of green money looking for someone to do it at scale. It turns out there has been a lot of investment and major projects underway, a bit under the radar.  JB Straubel, who was Tesla's CTO and a co-founder of the company, stepped down in 2019, and went off to found a company called Redwood, to do exactly that at a gigafactory scale. Interesting tech, and of course all the green funds are putting money into the venture. They've built two substantial recycling plants as a large-scale pilot that have a larger scale and broader reach than the recycling facility Tesla built in Nevada. I get the Evannex newsletter but somehow missed this one back in August. https://evannex.com/blogs/news/tesla-co-founder-jb-straubel-ramps-up-his-battery-recycling-startup

It's an obvious way to close the loop on what will become a tidal wave of recyclable batteries over the coming decades. All the useful materials are present after use in many times the concentration with almost none of the waste material of refining from ore, regardless of the state of the battery. There are successful examples of closed loop manufacturing already--lead acid batteries are mostly made of recycled materials--99.3% of LA batteries are recycled and 80-90 percent of the lead and plastic in new batteries come from recycling. Lithium batteries have far more valuable constituents and should be nearly 100 percent recyclable including the shell and possibly the insulators. 

It's an absolutely necessary element of shifting to storage as a major piece of meeting energy requirements. And the money side is obvious, 50 to 75% of the cost of a battery now is materials. In the early days it was manufacturing labor and capex, now that's shifting quickly as highly automated manufacturing comes on line.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #228 on: November 25, 2020, 07:00:52 PM »
I don't know how I missed this thread for so long!  I'm a huge electric vehicle nut,....  Do I want salt water dripping onto the roof or into the trunk from my wetsuit - NO WAY.  I don't baby it, but it won't be used as a surf vehicle

We've all seen the videos/movies/photos of oil spills, "No Blood for Oil", and all that, is there a similar no "Blood for Batteries" movement or issue, wars being fought over lithium or similar?

https://surfbunker.com/blog/testing-a-tesla-model-3-is-it-for-surfers



The Tesla model 3 may be a reasonable electric surf vehicle. The key card is waterproof, credit card sized and should be easy to stash in a wetsuit. Lock your phone (off or in airplane mode) in the car.  The frunk can be used for wet neoprene and several short boards can fit inside the car with the back seats down. An 8’ board will fit but protrudes up between the front seats. There is a roof rack available. I am not sure how the vegan “leather” is going to hold up but a seat cover and towel is likely all that is needed. Right now I can ride my bike to the local beaches but if I want to go a bit farther into the park to Long Beach or Florencia come the summer our M3 will may be my only option. My wife however may not be very happy with the idea.

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Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« Reply #229 on: November 25, 2020, 08:05:17 PM »
Model Y will be better if you can get one, but ultimately my surf vehicle (and everything vehicle) will be the cybertruck. They can't build that soon enough for me. It has everything I want in a vehicle, including the ability to load motorcycles without a separate ramp, lots of lockable storage, 4WD, 500 miles of range. monster inverter, compressor, and towing capacity. Not to mention stainless steel construction. A stainless steel surf rig? What could be better?

I met a very strange, very rich dude years ago who had two Ford F150's with most of the bodywork and all of the fasteners replaced with stainless steel. No idea what that cost him, but it must have been ridiculously expensive. He just didn't want his stuff to rust. His family owned most of Irvine, CA, so he could afford it, but the cybertruck will be much better.
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