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Re: F-One Swing
« Reply #60 on: September 17, 2019, 07:17:03 AM »
Thanks for the info, DW.  I got to try the 5 in 5-15 and was shocked at how much fun and powerful it was.  At 120lbs, it only takes about 6mph wind speeds to get foiling and at 10mph it can really generate some speed.  The reduced weight is helpful for smaller riders when using the larger size wings.  I tried the 3.5 in 10-25 and over 20 itís a handful.  Iím hoping to get my hands on a 2.2 soon for windier conditions.   

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« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2019, 11:50:13 AM »
I have the Swing 5 coming today and was wondering if anyone hooked up a harness line and if so what did you use to do it?

I understand first hand the benefits of the harness line as I noticed a huge difference in pull with my Slingwing when trying to go upwind as much as possible vs. just cruising or going downwind.

So I do intend to put a harness line on it and am wondering if anyone has experience with that?

Thanks

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Re: F-One Swing
« Reply #62 on: September 19, 2019, 02:07:33 PM »
Supkailua, I also have the Slingwing. I agree the pull on your arms increases dramatically if you try to point high upwind. What I started to do was gain speed then point upwind and as I start to lose speed bear off a bit gain speed then point hard upwind that way I could make decent upwind without having great pull on my arms. I really like my Slingwing but would like something for wind under 16 knots. I would be interested to know once you have your 5 meter swing if it is a nice fit for lighter winds without too much overlap. Thanks.

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Re: F-One Swing
« Reply #63 on: September 19, 2019, 02:40:39 PM »
GL,

I found the pull from the Swing 5 in 15 mph to 16 mph gusts to be similar to the pull from the Slingwing when it is gusting 19 mph to 20 mph. So the Swing 5 has a lot more pull during lower winds.

I do not have enough experience yet to say what is the minimum wind I will need. I can certainly go in 15 mph gusts and up. Under that I need more experience.

If the wind is gusting 19+ mph I would prefer to be on the Slingwing. The Swing 5 will have way too much power in those winds. I found the Slingwing to be really stable to hold in higher winds.

Regarding going upwind with the Swing 5 I stayed up wind pretty easily so I might not need that extreme upwind angle that requires the harness. Only time will tell once I get really comfortable on it how my arms and shoulders feel after a 2 to 3 hour session.

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Re: F-One Swing
« Reply #64 on: September 19, 2019, 04:45:13 PM »
GL,

I found the pull from the Swing 5 in 15 mph to 16 mph gusts to be similar to the pull from the Slingwing when it is gusting 19 mph to 20 mph. So the Swing 5 has a lot more pull during lower winds.

I do not have enough experience yet to say what is the minimum wind I will need. I can certainly go in 15 mph gusts and up. Under that I need more experience.

If the wind is gusting 19+ mph I would prefer to be on the Slingwing. The Swing 5 will have way too much power in those winds. I found the Slingwing to be really stable to hold in higher winds.

Regarding going upwind with the Swing 5 I stayed up wind pretty easily so I might not need that extreme upwind angle that requires the harness. Only time will tell once I get really comfortable on it how my arms and shoulders feel after a 2 to 3 hour session.

Good to hear.  What is your weight?

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Re: F-One Swing
« Reply #65 on: September 19, 2019, 04:58:16 PM »
Weight is 160 lbs.

Foil is Slingshot Infinity 84 cm carbon front wing, long fuselage, and large 48 cm back wing, 90 cm mast.

Board is 7'8" Slingshot Air Strike, 31" Wide, 145 L.

Once I am no longer a beginner on the wing I might consider a different board but right now I have very choppy water and I like a board I can stand on without falling off. This board also allows me to cruise back to the beach on the water even when the wind drops too low to foil.

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Re: F-One Swing
« Reply #66 on: September 19, 2019, 05:23:55 PM »
Thanks Supkailua. Based on what you said I might look for a bigger wing than the Swing 5 meter. If you like the Infinity 84, if you get a chance try the Infinity 99. I liked the 84 but love the 99. It gets me going earlier and is more stable for me. I use the long fuselage as well. It makes everything smoother and easier for me.

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« Reply #67 on: September 19, 2019, 05:41:08 PM »
GL, I would not base your final decision on what I say as I am a beginner with only one time on the Swing 5. Heading out now for session 2.

They talk about a 8 knot minimum for the Swing 5 in this video so I have hopes for some lighter wind riding.



I am considering the Infinity 99. My concern is on swells if it will be hard to keep down. On larger swells riding from the top I already have problems keeping the 84 down. If I catch the swell from the bottom and let it push me it does fine. I believe my top speed with the 84 is about 20 mph.

I might consider riding both wings so on larger swell days I ride the 84 and on smaller days the 99.

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« Reply #68 on: September 19, 2019, 05:54:17 PM »
On larger swells I do have more trouble keeping the 99 in the water. No problem riding into them or across them but once I drop down I tend to breach. I am also relatively new to wing foiling, although  I have lots of kite foiling and windfoiling experience.

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Re: F-One Swing
« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2019, 02:40:14 AM »
GL, I would not base your final decision on what I say as I am a beginner with only one time on the Swing 5. Heading out now for session 2.

Let us know how session 2 goes.  I am confident that under 15 will happen for you at 160 lbs.  We have a 4.2 coming today.  YEEEHAW!  That is good because Chan has rights to the 3.5 and I need something to rig down to until we can get the smaller wings :).

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« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2019, 06:14:43 AM »
Session 2 was great. Nice improvements on being more comfortable and starting to get more of that surfing feeling as I get more comfortable with the wing.

I could get going under with 14 mph gusts in session 2 but only the direction of the swell. Going against the swell I did not get going, but I am pretty sure that is a skill issue as I need a better stance on the board and better pumping of the board along with the wing.

At under 15 mph gusts there is not a lot of energy to waste and one has to get going before the gust is over, and I am not there yet when going out against the swell.

Chan mentioned 6 mph wind speed to get foiling with the Swing 5 which is incredible! I assume that is downwind with a swell and perfect pumping technique.

It would be good to get a detailed description of how to pump when it is under 10 knots. I am not sure if short pumps or long ones are better with my arms, how high or low to hold the wing while pumping, what type of foot pressure is needed to properly pump the board, and timing in terms of as you pull down on the wing what should my legs be doing on the board at the same time.

If any experts read this a slow motion light wind pumping video with narration saying what they are doing on would be extremely helpful.

Glad to hear you are getting the 4.2 today!

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Re: F-One Swing
« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2019, 06:33:46 AM »
At 230 I'm in a different class, but here's a few things. Downwind with the swells there's damned little power available from the wing. I get my best light air results with a beam reach, or maybe a bit downwind from that.

Long wing pumps build board speed, short ones get you up on the foil.

That's it, that's all I know. Oh, wait, pushing forward with your front foot at the end of a pump is useful, and I did a little accidental cheat move yesterday when I was breifly becalmed that I'll try again--I turned more or less straight downwind, brought my feet together, parallel stance, midway between normal front foot position and mast, and then swept the board and wing into a turn to starboard in a micro-gust, accelerating on a bump. I popped right up on the foil, hopped into a more normal stance, and was able to foil away with a lot of wing pumping. As much of a surprise to me as it might have been to a spectator.
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Re: F-One Swing
« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2019, 09:14:35 AM »
Chan mentioned 6 mph wind speed to get foiling with the Swing 5 which is incredible! I assume that is downwind with a swell and perfect pumping technique.

Chan is TINY.  The was no swell or chop.  She was out on tiny ripples.  I took out the wing first when it was 10-15 and I was foiling intermittently.  It died back to where I couldn't foil anymore and then Chan went out with that wing and my board and foil (Axis 1020).  It was actually funny looking with her on that big wing but she was off and flying.  That is a really big wing for her and the foil is bigger than any she has ever used.  We are very new still so I guarantee that strong technique is not at play.  In that video you posted Tituan mentions that he was using the 3.5 in that Ho'okipa wave video in under under 10 knots.  We watched him cruise figure 8's through a group of other wingers who were standing still on larger gear at an Event site demo.  It was under 10 MPH and he was on a 4.2.  That guy has some massive skills.
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Re: F-One Swing
« Reply #73 on: September 20, 2019, 09:47:19 AM »
Thanks Admin and PonoBill!

I studied the first 30 seconds of this video as it seems to have one of the best light wind water starts that I could find.

There are other water start videos out there but many of them have so much wind that minimal pumping is needed.



I noticed the pump is full and fast. Arms go all the way out and all the way in.

At the same time he seems to be lifting the nose of the board up each time he pull in. So all the weight on the back leg each time he is pulling in with the wing.

I am not sure if this only works on a smaller board but I will try it with my 7'8" Airstrike and see if it helps.

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Re: F-One Swing
« Reply #74 on: September 20, 2019, 03:03:01 PM »
I had an awesome session today.  It was overcast and a little hard to get a read on the wind condition.  I was excited to rig the new 4.2 and got right to it.  Chan went out on the Swing 3.5.  It turned out that it was 18-24 and I knew that I would be happier on the 3.5 but Chan is in love (LOVE) with that thing and she doesn't have a smaller Swing.  I wasn't going to break up that romance so I went in and swapped out for my new Axis 1000 wing with a 440 rear and went back out on the 4.2.  Yow!   That thing is super fun.  After a while Chan called it and I grabbed her board with the Axis 920, 440 rear and the 3.5 Swing.  I confirmed to myself how much I love her board size.  It is 5'10 x 25 and it feels super nimble and controllable.  It is noticeably faster on the surface (probably just due to so much less drag) than my 6'6 and is easier to pump.   In the air it is really nice to have all that extra material missing.  I can't wait to get the 1020 and the 1000 wings on that board.  I am starting to see what my next board will look like :).
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