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Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2019, 06:29:31 AM »
Isn’t it a return to this kinda board for Naish (below)?But with the edges knocked off (literally), and a bit more moderate? A proper downwinder. It was a very versatile board, and is still one of the fastest DW you can get, even all these years on.

I really liked that board and I would be content with it if not for the weight.

Looking at the video though I couldn't help but notice that it does take a good effort to angle it on the face of the bump and the need for consistent paddling through the smaller sections.

I'm pretty sure the fin box placement has a lot to do with it. I believe the box is in the same place as with today's boards and they're probably using an 8"-9" surf type fin which explains the extra effort.

If you compare it to the Bayonet with a much better box placement and a continuous rocker, the difference in effort level is substantial.
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« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2019, 09:50:35 AM »
Well, I prefer continuous rocker. But in everything except nuking downwind I think it is slower. Or, I should say, that if an elite paddler is on a “two-stage” rocker board, they can be faster than in the same one with continuous rocker, at least under 30knots. But I’d rather have an easier ride with more control than a technically difficult board that is 0.2% faster. But most racers would sacrifice everything for that extra 0.2% so I may not be the typical Maliko buyer. The V2 Glide was crazy fast in the right conditions but it did sometimes demand concentration in messed-up stuff. I remember DWing with a buddy of mine who was on one when I was on a Coreban Dart 14x30. While the wind was only 25 knots and well lined up he was killing me. Then the wind jumped to 35 and we hit an area with rebound and steep sections and he virtually came to a standstill while I took off, having a great time.

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« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2019, 07:16:10 PM »
Well, I prefer continuous rocker. But in everything except nuking downwind I think it is slower.

That wouldn’t be the case with the Bayonet. You ought it to your self to try it in a 20 knots or so wind.
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« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2019, 02:09:54 PM »
Well, I prefer continuous rocker. But in everything except nuking downwind I think it is slower.

That wouldn’t be the case with the Bayonet. You ought it to your self to try it in a 20 knots or so wind.
Well, as I said, *I* would be faster with a continuous rocker. But most elite paddlers probably wouldn’t. The problem is the speed when you are not on a bump, and the inherent acceleration advantage of a flat(ish) rocker. Having said that, I downbreezed my Hypr 12-6 gun today, which has a continuous rocker (but not much rocker overall) and it seemed fast for a 12-6, albeit I had to be quick with my feet. So, it is all a very complex interaction between the board, the rider, and the conditions.

I have often thought about the Bayonet. But too many people who have tried one have reported to me that doesn’t cope with messed-up swell very well. But messed-up swell is exactly what I have a lot of where I live. Here, the Bullet V1 works better than the V2 Bullet. I’m also not a fan of really thick boards for downwinding. Corky boards just get pushed around too much by crosswinds and refracted swell here: you need to be able to stay close to the water and not present it with opportunities to throw you around. Downwinding in Hawaii is done in waters that are much deeper than the extremely shallow waters round here, and the fetch in Hawaii is probably much longer.  I think it affects which board designs work.

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Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2019, 05:59:32 AM »
Ready for some shallow fin testing...
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Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2019, 06:08:02 AM »
Naish 2020 Maliko rocker. Neutral position on flat surface.
Nose: 7”
Tail: 1.5”
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Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2019, 07:54:27 AM »
Naish 2020 Maliko rocker. Neutral position on flat surface.
Nose: 7”
Tail: 1.5”

On my 2018, measured against the bottom of the board right under the tip of the nose is 6" and tail is 1"6/8 (1.75").
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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2019, 09:47:03 AM »
Helpful info for me. I have 4" on the nose and 1.5 on the tail of the board I have designed. 7 seems a lot.
 How about fin box placement in those boards
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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2019, 10:52:32 AM »
I know that this sort of “two stage rocker”, where the rear two thirds or more is fairly flat and then the nose takes a sudden upward trajectory, can be highly effective in a downwind board. But it just looks wrong to me somehow... :) I’m not sure that I wouldn’t prefer a bit more tail rocker and a more gradual and relaxed nose rocker. But I’m sure that Naish will have tried that and can suppose therefore that it didn’t work. Maybe it just because my DW conditions are so often steep short period stuff so I’ve often got my back foot over the fin, using all the tail rocker I can get, and sharp changes in rocker sometimes (but not always) make it harder for me to get over a bump and into the one in front. But that’s probably just a shortcoming of my technique perhaps.

The Imagine Connector also has a fairly abrupt nose rocker. But maybe it also had a touch more tail rocker than the Maliko? That Connector design (by Dave Kalama, ex-Naish of course) seems to have garnered some very positive reviews as a downwind board. Maybe they ended up coming around to Kalama’s way of thinking, after all :)

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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2019, 02:00:45 PM »
...But it just looks wrong to me somehow... :) I’m not sure that I wouldn’t prefer a bit more tail rocker and a more gradual and relaxed nose rocker...

That's exactly what I meant by "I don't understand this rocker". It just looks wrong and yet works really great.

Mind you, I'm not entirely sure this is how it sits on the water. There might be a chance the Nose/Tail ratio will change once I found the right trim.
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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2019, 07:51:33 PM »
True. But it probably can’t change that much or else the tail will be out of the water. Perhaps you could take a picture sideways on when someone about your weight is standing at the handle. I tend to take video of someone else paddling my board sideways on, at various positions just an inch apart, on a sheltered canal near me, to find the best trim for a new board, it’s interesting how the trim sometimes changes for some boards under hard paddling: If a person of a certain weight can’t get that tail to release then it’s all over, speedwise, really. Some of the early JL race boards tended to drag their tails no matter what you did. The Sidewinder doesn’t, though.

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« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2019, 10:21:24 PM »
Even if I know this 2 stage rocker works from reviews I didn't do it because it doesn't look right. I had a lower section in the rail just in front of the standing area at one point. Like on a kayak so you don't hit the rail when paddling. It just didn't look right though. This would also help any water coming over the nose shed off the deck before coming into the standing area.Like the scow bow in mini transat boats, sometimes things don't look right but they work.
 

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« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2019, 02:16:06 AM »
Even if I know this 2 stage rocker works from reviews I didn't do it because it doesn't look right. I had a lower section in the rail just in front of the standing area at one point. Like on a kayak so you don't hit the rail when paddling. It just didn't look right though. This would also help any water coming over the nose shed off the deck before coming into the standing area.Like the scow bow in mini transat boats, sometimes things don't look right but they work.
That’s a good example, and the skow bow has been used in a SUP:
https://thepaddlermag.com/2015/07/02/magic-carpet-ride-nah-skwell-scow-12-6ft/

I paddled one. It went well downwind and was quite fast in flat water and upwind in ripples. But it was less successful upwind when the chop was bigger. That’s a lot of nose area you are presenting to oncoming waves. But in the right conditions it would be really good, and it did show that a 2-stage rocker could be fast.

There are some occasions going upwind when it is more efficient to try to reduce the pitching of the board by digging the nose slightly into the top of oncoming waves. But this is hard to do with a two-stage rocker type board - you have to get so far forwards. Consequently they can pitch quite a lot going upwind in bigger stuff and if the tail rocker isn’t perfect then the tail creates a lot of drag as the nose lifts so much. I’ve been impressed by how well the Hypr gun goes upwind, for this reason - low rocker, pointy nose, narrow tail, and low volume all mean that you can push through the waves and reduce pitching, which aids speed. The dreaded upwind “nose lift then slap” that slows you down so much is nonexistent.

But maybe the Maliko has got the dynamics just right. You’d need to see video of it being paddled upwind in 1ft chop to know.

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« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2019, 09:31:16 AM »
But maybe the Maliko has got the dynamics just right. You’d need to see video of it being paddled upwind in 1ft chop to know.

It feels much better than previous models in that regard but that's just a feeling, I can't back it up with numbers yet but it is on the agenda.
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« Reply #44 on: September 05, 2019, 01:31:15 PM »
Too close to the tail  ;)
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