Axis Foils

[soepkip]

Can anybody advise me which tail to use in combo with the S860  for winging in more than 20 knots?

Don't care about being superfast, just want it to turn nicely...

[paddlur]

The new HPS B Series foils are now up with specs, descriptions,  and pics on the Axis foils site.  Bottom of pg.1 and continued on pg.2  https://axisfoils.com/collections/wing-foil-wings

Agree 100% where is the big brother to the 860!! We need a 960 bad!would be a great winging wing for us big guys
I am a bit disappointed, the S860  is now my goto foil for winging and I use my S920 under 17 knots for winging. I tried the S980 and I did not like the way it turns at all...
And the S1010 and S1150 are also not my thing.
I was hoping there would be a bigger S860 but it is all HA foils as far as I can see?
Perhaps the 890? But it will probably be less surface than the 860.

Come on Axis , why not a 960 with 1500 cm^2 ?

Agree 100% we need a big brother to the 860!!We need a 960 bad!would be a great winging wing for us big guys

[Admin]

The new HPS B Series foils are now up with specs, descriptions,  and pics on the Axis foils site.  Bottom of pg.1 and continued on pg.2  https://axisfoils.com/collections/wing-foil-wings

I am a bit disappointed, the S860  is now my goto foil for winging and I use my S920 under 17 knots for winging. I tried the S980 and I did not like the way it turns at all...
And the S1010 and S1150 are also not my thing.
I was hoping there would be a bigger S860 but it is all HA foils as far as I can see?
Perhaps the 890? But it will probably be less surface than the 860.

Come on Axis , why not a 960 with 1500 cm^2 ?

The 860 and the 890 have the same area.  The 890 is part of the new Broad Spectrum Carve wing series.  The 3 smaller BSC wings go on the black Fuse and the 3 bigger ones go on the Red Fuse.  There is a 970, 1060 and 1120 coming.  You should find some love there .

[Admin]

Can anybody advise me which tail to use in combo with the S860  for winging in more than 20 knots?

Don't care about being superfast, just want it to turn nicely...

The 860 is magic with the 390 tail on the Short fuselage.  This is your feel good wing at 175 lbs.  Super easy, controlled, turny and fun. 

[PonoBill]

The new HPS B Series foils are now up with specs, descriptions,  and pics on the Axis foils site.  Bottom of pg.1 and continued on pg.2  https://axisfoils.com/collections/wing-foil-wings

I am a bit disappointed, the S860  is now my goto foil for winging and I use my S920 under 17 knots for winging. I tried the S980 and I did not like the way it turns at all...
And the S1010 and S1150 are also not my thing.
I was hoping there would be a bigger S860 but it is all HA foils as far as I can see?
Perhaps the 890? But it will probably be less surface than the 860.

Come on Axis , why not a 960 with 1500 cm^2 ?

YES!!! I want that. While I'm whining, I'd also like a 960 with a little more gullwing to it. I'll take both. I feel like Oliver in the play: "Could I have some more, please."

A bit ridiculous, I switched to Axis so I could make my own wings, so far all I've done is chop up a slightly wounded 1020 and make a wing that could lift Jabba the Hut. All the elements are in place to whip up whatever I want. Brother Bob has his CAM router whipping out gorgeous carvings of anything that pops into his mind and is a master of CAD. I could probably send him napkin drawings and get beautiful wood wings that I can vacuum bag carbon onto. I'm just a lazy fuck. But if Axis doesn't do that soon...

[Califoilia]

Can anybody advise me which tail to use in combo with the S860  for winging in more than 20 knots?

Don't care about being superfast, just want it to turn nicely...

I've ridden the 460, 400, and 390 with the 860 on an ultra short fuse numerous times (my go to front when there's some size and energy).

460: Fast, loose tail, that likes to be turned really hard or the tail wants to slip, slide a bit at lower speeds when trying to turn aggressively to make up for the lack of speed it wants/needs.

400: So far the most versatile that works in most conditions. Still fairly fast, but has more bite than the 460 in the turns, so is a little more forgiving, and super fun to really surf hard, and allows you to stay closer to the pocket than the 460 at times that wants to out run them at times.

390: Went from the 460 to to the 390 thinking I wanted less tail slide, and a little more bite from the tail. I got that, a bit too much in fact, and it seemed just way too slow to make the 860 work as well, so went back to to the 460 before I remembered that I had the 400 sitting in my van that I'd never tried on anything...and that's when I found it to be the best of both worlds between the speed of the 460, and the maneuverability of the the 390.

EDIT: This is my take of these tails in the surf....I don't wingding, so can't comment on how they differ or feel in that environment.

[Califoilia]

The 860 and the 890 have the same area.  The 890 is part of the new Broad Spectrum Carve wing series.

Am I missing something? I know they have an 880 and a 980, but I've yet to see or hear about the 890 that's been mentioned here already a few times.

[Admin]

Hi Cali,

Yes.  The 880 and 980 are part of the new HPS (High Performance Speed) line.  There are 5 of these coming.  The 890 is part of the upcoming BSC (Broad Spectrum Carve) line.  There are 6 of these coming.  There is also the 1300 in the P&G (Pump and Glide) line.  12 new wings and 3 new tails. 

[Califoilia]

Cool, thanks admin. I got a chance to see the 1300 last summer in its R&D stage...and man that's a BIG wing!

Looking forward to the 810 and 880 to try in the surf soon, and will just have to wait and see where the other BCS stuff might take us. 🤞👍

[PonoBill]

I've managed to kick my 1150 several times already. Maybe I could use a 1300 as a step to get back on the board.

[soepkip]

Can anybody advise me which tail to use in combo with the S860  for winging in more than 20 knots?

Don't care about being superfast, just want it to turn nicely...

The 860 is magic with the 390 tail on the Short fuselage.  This is your feel good wing at 175 lbs.  Super easy, controlled, turny and fun.

I am 190 lbs / 86 kg

I used the 460 two days ago and the 390 yesterday with the 860 , 75 carbon mast and Short fuse.
Both days I was wel powered up , with the 460 I was on a 4m2 wing (20 knots), with the 390 I was on a 3m2 wing (25 knots)
The mast is too short when it gets really windy and the sea is very choppy, but I am waiting for the 86 mast..

Most notable was that  I breached a lot more with the 390 , one reason for that is probably 5 knots more wind.
But could it also be caused by more downforce from the 390?

Perhaps I should use a shim?
Or get the 760?
Or just move the foil a bit back in the tracks?

[soepkip]

The new HPS B Series foils are now up with specs, descriptions,  and pics on the Axis foils site.  Bottom of pg.1 and continued on pg.2  https://axisfoils.com/collections/wing-foil-wings

I am a bit disappointed, the S860  is now my goto foil for winging and I use my S920 under 17 knots for winging. I tried the S980 and I did not like the way it turns at all...
And the S1010 and S1150 are also not my thing.
I was hoping there would be a bigger S860 but it is all HA foils as far as I can see?
Perhaps the 890? But it will probably be less surface than the 860.

Come on Axis , why not a 960 with 1500 cm^2 ?

The 860 and the 890 have the same area.  The 890 is part of the new Broad Spectrum Carve wing series.  The 3 smaller BSC wings go on the black Fuse and the 3 bigger ones go on the Red Fuse.  There is a 970, 1060 and 1120 coming.  You should find some love there .

I guess the 970 will have to be the one. If it has the same AR as the 810 its surface area will be 1465.
Nice that it will be on the red fuse...

[soepkip]

Can anybody advise me which tail to use in combo with the S860  for winging in more than 20 knots?

Don't care about being superfast, just want it to turn nicely...

I've ridden the 460, 400, and 390 with the 860 on an ultra short fuse numerous times (my go to front when there's some size and energy).

460: Fast, loose tail, that likes to be turned really hard or the tail wants to slip, slide a bit at lower speeds when trying to turn aggressively to make up for the lack of speed it wants/needs.

400: So far the most versatile that works in most conditions. Still fairly fast, but has more bite than the 460 in the turns, so is a little more forgiving, and super fun to really surf hard, and allows you to stay closer to the pocket than the 460 at times that wants to out run them at times.

390: Went from the 460 to to the 390 thinking I wanted less tail slide, and a little more bite from the tail. I got that, a bit too much in fact, and it seemed just way too slow to make the 860 work as well, so went back to to the 460 before I remembered that I had the 400 sitting in my van that I'd never tried on anything...and that's when I found it to be the best of both worlds between the speed of the 460, and the maneuverability of the the 390.

EDIT: This is my take of these tails in the surf....I don't wingding, so can't comment on how they differ or feel in that environment.

Thanks , I will try the 400 tail next time and also the 370
I also sup foil but winging is so much easier...

[Admin]

Can anybody advise me which tail to use in combo with the S860  for winging in more than 20 knots?

Don't care about being superfast, just want it to turn nicely...

The 860 is magic with the 390 tail on the Short fuselage.  This is your feel good wing at 175 lbs.  Super easy, controlled, turny and fun.

I am 190 lbs / 86 kg

I used the 460 two days ago and the 390 yesterday with the 860 , 75 carbon mast and Short fuse.
Both days I was wel powered up , with the 460 I was on a 4m2 wing (20 knots), with the 390 I was on a 3m2 wing (25 knots)
The mast is too short when it gets really windy and the sea is very choppy, but I am waiting for the 86 mast..

Most notable was that  I breached a lot more with the 390 , one reason for that is probably 5 knots more wind.
But could it also be caused by more downforce from the 390?

Perhaps I should use a shim?
Or get the 760?
Or just move the foil a bit back in the tracks?

Hi Soekip,

You and I are on the same program.  A loose, glidey feeling without hitches, and turns without requirements is what matters most to me.  Top end speed is secondary.  Quick acceleration is really nice, though, and resistance free glide is great.

My experience on the 860 is a little different than yours.  I find that wing almost impossible to breach.  I am using the 960 mast, though, and only for winging. 

I also have had a different experience with the 400 vs 390.  For me the 390 is a much quicker tail.  The 400 and the 390 have the same incidence and thickness but the 390 has less chord (80 vs 90), and length.

I wouldn't call the 860 and 390 a speed kit but it is quick enough to be super fun.  The 460 wasn't for me so I sold it.  In hindsight I should have cut it down.  I am likely going to cut my 420 down to 400 and then 380 to see how that goes.

My guess is that I am just  not a high aspect guy.  I enjoy trying it but in time I always gravitate back to flowy fun.   

The 890 and 810 sound great and I have super high hopes for those.  I am hanging on to the 860 and 760 because I love those two and could happily spend another season right there. 

[Dwight (DW)]

You can see the changes between the v1 and v2 carbon masts in this photo.