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« Reply #270 on: June 26, 2020, 09:02:23 PM »
My evening session last night was on the 1010 front wing, 90 CM aluminum mast, and 440 tail shimmed to 3 degrees. Amazing. I suppose at some point I'm going to find something better, but that was so very cool. I discovered I can get going very fast (no GPS, sorry) by heeling out and giving little pumps with my back foot. I overtook a few of the less talented kite foilers that way, or perhaps they just didn't see me coming.

I have lots of hang time to get a switchfoot jibe done, but haven't figured out how to keep the turn going as I switch feet. The 1010 doesn't really want to turn--I get halfway into the jibe and the thing straightens out or even starts to turn back onto a reach, even with the wing overhead and fully feathered. I'm sure I'll figure it out. Until I do, it stays up until I completely run out of speed, and then it slams down to the surface.
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« Reply #271 on: June 26, 2020, 10:41:24 PM »
Caught a very powered 2.8 session today.  Meter was reading 32-40 when I launched and it held there for an hour and then slowly dropped.

Days like today I could see using a 910 or even a 900 instead of the 1010. The first half hour was terrifying, then it slowly came down to  fun 3.6 wind. Lots of mini downwinders over at the white Salmon (the kitesurfers must hate me, I'm so in the way ;D )

I was greedy though and didn't heed the warning signs, did the entire width of the river on my knees over to Wells, then deflated and paddled to the hook. By 3 it was coming back, had I just sat on my board for 1/2 an hour...

Tomorrow looks downright dangerous :o

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Re: Axis Foils
« Reply #272 on: June 27, 2020, 03:10:25 AM »
Caught a very powered 2.8 session today.  Meter was reading 32-40 when I launched and it held there for an hour and then slowly dropped.

Days like today I could see using a 910 or even a 900 instead of the 1010. The first half hour was terrifying, then it slowly came down to  fun 3.6 wind. Lots of mini downwinders over at the white Salmon (the kitesurfers must hate me, I'm so in the way ;D )

I was greedy though and didn't heed the warning signs, did the entire width of the river on my knees over to Wells, then deflated and paddled to the hook. By 3 it was coming back, had I just sat on my board for 1/2 an hour...

I have a 900, 1000 and 820 with me so you can grab one if it is nuts like that again.  I saw you when you were cranking.  The swell in the channel was super fun.  2.8 is a hysterically small wing. The great thing about the 820 is how quickly and smoothly it turns.  It is 1443 projected but a little beefier so that may work in mellower winds as well.  I am interested to see.

It is supposed to stay very strong for a while.  We started winging and foiling exactly a year ago and we had a nuts week like this to kick off our adventure.  What a year!

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« Reply #273 on: July 10, 2020, 07:20:26 AM »
Anyone know where to source 316 stainless M8 x 1.25 (I think this is the thread pitch) flat countersunk Torx drive bolts for Axis foils?
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Re: Axis Foils
« Reply #274 on: July 10, 2020, 08:36:35 AM »
Live2kite.com has bolt sets in stock. Some marine stores carry M8 stainless with a #4 Phillips head.

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« Reply #275 on: July 10, 2020, 08:49:58 AM »
You can dig into the depths of Alibaba and find what you need. M8 is an unusual screw size, M6 is much more common, so you'll have to dig. M8 is more typically a hex head bolt. I found a great supplier, bought what I thought was a reasonable supply, and now I can't find the outfit again--but it's there. Typically I'd say McMaster-Carr since they have about everything, but they don't stock stainless M8 countersink screws in either Torx or Allen.

I'm fixated on Torx for everything. So much better than Phillips or Allen if you're going to be taking the screws in and out a lot.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: Axis Foils
« Reply #276 on: July 10, 2020, 09:01:04 AM »

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« Reply #277 on: July 10, 2020, 01:36:19 PM »
You can dig into the depths of Alibaba and find what you need. M8 is an unusual screw size, M6 is much more common, so you'll have to dig. M8 is more typically a hex head bolt. I found a great supplier, bought what I thought was a reasonable supply, and now I can't find the outfit again--but it's there. Typically I'd say McMaster-Carr since they have about everything, but they don't stock stainless M8 countersink screws in either Torx or Allen.

I'm fixated on Torx for everything. So much better than Phillips or Allen if you're going to be taking the screws in and out a lot.

Torx is even better if you're NOT going to be taking them in and out a lot ..... and they seize up. Possible to get a lot more torque on the Torx heads before they strip requiring plan B and plan C. I wish I didn't have as much experience with this as I do.  :-[
9'6" CRUZ Surf SUP (152L)
6'6" CRUZ 'CIM' Foil SUP (130L)
9'5" Naish Mana (165L; broken)
8'8" F'One Madeiro Pro (145L; sold)
Chinook Thrust 92 fixed-length paddle
Half Moon Bay, CA

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« Reply #278 on: July 10, 2020, 01:39:57 PM »
I have ordered from these guys before:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078YZ248Q/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1

These are hex.... did you get Torx bolts from them or just Hex.  These are stainless 304 (not recommended for marine applications). Do they hold up OK? I'll see if they see to have Torx.
9'6" CRUZ Surf SUP (152L)
6'6" CRUZ 'CIM' Foil SUP (130L)
9'5" Naish Mana (165L; broken)
8'8" F'One Madeiro Pro (145L; sold)
Chinook Thrust 92 fixed-length paddle
Half Moon Bay, CA

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« Reply #279 on: July 10, 2020, 03:03:02 PM »
You can dig into the depths of Alibaba and find what you need. M8 is an unusual screw size, M6 is much more common, so you'll have to dig. M8 is more typically a hex head bolt. I found a great supplier, bought what I thought was a reasonable supply, and now I can't find the outfit again--but it's there. Typically I'd say McMaster-Carr since they have about everything, but they don't stock stainless M8 countersink screws in either Torx or Allen.

I'm fixated on Torx for everything. So much better than Phillips or Allen if you're going to be taking the screws in and out a lot.

Torx is even better if you're NOT going to be taking them in and out a lot ..... and they seize up. Possible to get a lot more torque on the Torx heads before they strip requiring plan B and plan C. I wish I didn't have as much experience with this as I do.  :-[

Yeah, don't do that. Also don't spin them in at anything much faster than what you can do by hand with your drillmotor or impact driver. Stainless on stainless or stainless on aluminum is prone to galling and seizing. Doesn't require high torque. You should always use an anti-seize compound. I like Tef-Gel but it's messy.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: Axis Foils
« Reply #280 on: July 10, 2020, 05:43:09 PM »
I have ordered from these guys before:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078YZ248Q/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1

These are hex.... did you get Torx bolts from them or just Hex.  These are stainless 304 (not recommended for marine applications). Do they hold up OK? I'll see if they see to have Torx.

Yes, these worked well.  I got the hex head.  I only used them in fresh water though.

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Re: Axis Foils
« Reply #281 on: July 11, 2020, 10:09:48 AM »
Try accu.co.uk
You can find 304/A2 in USA but not many 316/A4.
Shipping was a few days to East Coast.
Got M6-25, M8-25 and M8-35 in SS 316/A4 DIN 965.
M8-70 SS 316/A4 ISO 14581.
Stock Axis bolts fit the bit the tightest followed by DIN 965.
ISO 14581 is the sloppiest.
Live2Kite said they would try to find bolt specs.
Need extra torque on or off? Try these Wera Keys. Straight end has a slightly larger bit to hold screw on end.

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« Reply #282 on: July 11, 2020, 08:31:16 PM »
DIN 965 (now called ISO 965 or ISO 7046) is just a standard for metric screws that specifies major and minor diameters and tolerances. It doesn't specify the head drive type. ISO 14581 is a hexalobe head screw, and yes, a standard Torx will be a crappy fit, since that isn't what you are supposed to use. If you can find the right hexalobe driver bit (good luck) it will be quite snug and will handle a lot of torque. Hexalobe is the grown-up version of Torx. I have hexalobe driver bits but they are for very tiny screws, like the ones you find inside your iPhone.

That's a pretty cool site--they have stuff I can't find anywhere. They're probably in biz to support the British motorsports industry. You probably just cost me quite a bit of money, like the first time I discovered ARP, so thanks, I guess.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2020, 08:35:51 PM by PonoBill »
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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« Reply #283 on: July 11, 2020, 08:42:49 PM »
I am going to buy another set from Axis as like you said the hexalobe bit will be hard to find.
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« Reply #284 on: July 11, 2020, 11:44:59 PM »
If you really want to give yourself fits try to find pentalobe bits and screws. Even higher torque capabilties but rare as hens teeth.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

 


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