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Re: Axis Foils
« Reply #1125 on: October 31, 2021, 06:56:27 PM »
Hey Califoilia, have you managed to clock any time on the 880 yet? I've got an 890 otw to go w my 880( and 1050, 860, +,+...) and wondering what your thoughts may be. I'm kinda hoping the 890 is a bit more forgiving w the pump.

So by extension, a bigger tail not shimmed would pump better than a small tail shimmed.
Yes, what I found also in testing them (surfing btw). Love the 400P with the 890 and crazy short on the 75cm aluminum mast, so thought I'd try the 375P, and while I like it being a little faster and looser, I didn't like the feel of less tail/lift in the pump part. So threw on a -1 shim, and that was just a fly in the ointment. Didn't really do anything better except for maybe a marginal increase when pumping, but not enough for me to want to leave it on there, and went back to the 400P with the 890.

That said, the 375P with the 910b (rest being the same) is awesome...loosens it ups nicely in turns w/o breaking tail sliding as I'd sometimes get with the 400HA, and is still plenty of tail to allow for it to continue to pump great. Super combo!

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Re: Axis Foils
« Reply #1126 on: November 01, 2021, 10:10:47 AM »
Hey Califoilia, have you managed to clock any time on the 880 yet? I've got an 890 otw to go w my 880( and 1050, 860, +,+...) and wondering what your thoughts may be. I'm kinda hoping the 890 is a bit more forgiving w the pump.
Really liked the HPS wings in the surf when they first came out for the speed, and maneuverability of them...that was until Axis released their BCS, and now their black fused versions in the PNG series.

The 890 (and 910b) is a tad slower compared to the 880, but that's actually better in the surf, as you don't outrun the wave as easily, so turning becomes snappier with it's better lower end lift do to its less AS. The lower AS also helps get it out of the hole when grabbing a wave a tad quicker, and pumping seems to be about the same cadence wise, as the 890 lifts slightly easier, but the 880 travels a slight bit further with each pump...so that's sort of a wash. But yes, the 890 with the 400P tail is more forgiving pumping than the 880 that I ride with the 400HA tail.

In the surf, I think you're really going to find your 890 to be the "go to" wing in your quiver...now you just gotta get the right tail for it.  ;) ;D
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« Reply #1127 on: November 01, 2021, 02:43:58 PM »
I was flicking through the Axis catalog and noticed that they offer a 16mm thick mast. Has anyone used one and what can you tell me about it?

I've been having issues with mast ventilation on the 19mm version ("Ejected through the front door" thread) and thinking the thinner version might help as I've been using a thinner mast (different brand) with no ventilation problems for months before getting the ART999 and 19mm mast a couple weeks ago.

Realise I'll be giving up some stiffness, but I'm only 65kg so have some room to spare on the stiffness front...
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Re: Axis Foils
« Reply #1128 on: November 01, 2021, 03:55:18 PM »
I rode the 16mm when i had my axis setup. I liked it and never noticed any ventilation issues.

Listen to the progression project with Adrian from axis if you want to hear the percentages of how stiff one is from the other.

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Re: Axis Foils
« Reply #1129 on: November 01, 2021, 07:58:43 PM »
quote author=Hdip link=topic=35177.msg432815#msg432815 date=1635807318]
I rode the 16mm when i had my axis setup. I liked it and never noticed any ventilation issues.

Listen to the progression project with Adrian from axis if you want to hear the percentages of how stiff one is from the other.
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Can you give us the coles notes 19mm vs 16mm?

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« Reply #1130 on: December 02, 2021, 06:19:48 PM »
Haven't posted in a bit... I've been exploring the wonders of the 890. I got the 890 just before (like the week before) the ART999 came out, and I have been loving it. I've still got my 1150, and I have no interest in getting rid of it. It's just too good for light winds. The 890 has been my go-to for the last couple of months for winging and I've been able to prone surf it poorly a couple of times. I am curious about the ART899 for winging though. I told myself I wasn't going to buy another foil this year...

On a different note, Axis released a much smaller HPS wing when the ART999 came out. I got the HPS650 for towing, and it blew my mind. Once we dialed it in on the lake, I rode the thing ~35mph and it was so stable. We took it out in 8' surf a couple of weeks ago and had a bunch of fun. Plenty of speed, stable, turns on rails, and a ton of glide for such a small wing. Eventually, we plan to tow big rollers that come through... just have to get the right conditions. I'm running a 90cm red mast, ultrashort fuse, and a 380HA rear tail.
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Re: Axis Foils
« Reply #1131 on: February 17, 2022, 08:19:11 AM »
Any views on the HPS700 and BSC740 for winging, I'm 77kg.
I ride 890/880/810 all of which I love for different conditions, but want something smaller for powered choppy conditions/bigger waves.

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« Reply #1132 on: February 18, 2022, 02:12:57 PM »
I'm 165lbs, and ride the 700 any time the waves are overhead.  740 has plenty of low end lift for it's size, but I find it has too much lift when the waves get bigger.  But on smaller waves it turns really well.  Rode the 700 in 8-10ft hawaiian waves yesterday, doable, but still too big of a foil. Easy to keep down, but feel like I'm just going straight and trying to keep things under control. I need to try the 799 and the 650.  Also might try messing with shims with the 740 to decrease the amount  of lift as it turns really nice.  (kane tail no shims used currently)

 

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Re: Axis Foils
« Reply #1133 on: February 18, 2022, 02:54:15 PM »
Don't worry. James Casey just signed with AXIS and he's going to make them "bettah".

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« Reply #1134 on: March 09, 2022, 06:18:03 AM »
Taking a step back, we learned a lot this week. We (and my wife Jacky) have been all about speed and performance in foiling. It suits our background as windsurfers and where we ride most often, the Banana River. Every once in awhile, we encounter riding conditions that make us say "dam, we feel like kooks today". We both had one day at Ft Pierce, and one day at Virginia Key, when this happened. Strong tides, currents, weird wind, whatever it was, weird days.

We decided to give the BSC-890 a try. Our thinking being, we'll step back to an easy surf wing, if we ever encounter weird conditions like those days in the future.

I rode the BSC-890 for the first time Monday. Wow, wow, wow, what fun surf foil. The last time we owned surf foils, was back in our Armstrong days with the HS-1250 and HS1550 v1. The BSC-890 took me back to that time, but even better. More of everything fun, pump, glide, and easy fun times.

So Tuesday, I had Jacky try it. She went out and did this. She's addicted to it now. We used the 400 progressive tail on it. Felt like the ideal tail.

https://youtu.be/_kC6XAQ3G7M
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« Reply #1135 on: March 10, 2022, 06:35:18 AM »
I love the 890. I have said it many times. It came to me in the flurry of HPS wings and was a satisfying detour. Now I am mostly on the 999 and 1099 but I also threw on the 890 a couple days ago to go back to the "skatepark". I hadn't yet tried it with the prog tails either. Guess what. It is a total sickbird with the 375P/crazy short. I was twitching a bit from the loss of glide that I have become so enamored with but still fell right back into loving the 890. I think that switching foils around frequently, from medium to HA and changing fuses, masts, tails makes me a better and more versatile foiler.
I am headed to San Diego for spring break and am stoked to ride the 890 in proper surf. I am also stoked to try some 2 fer 1's on the 1099. Send it!!!

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Re: Axis Foils
« Reply #1136 on: March 10, 2022, 09:21:56 AM »
The 325 progressive rear is amazing in the surf. Not great for winging but for prone itís fast, pumps really well and carving is on another level for the rears.

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« Reply #1137 on: March 11, 2022, 10:24:14 AM »
All of the progressive tails are awesome! It's just a matter of picking the size for the conditions and what you're riding. I surf on a sup, and I'll flip between the 350 thru 425 depending on conditions, and which front wing I've chosen for the day. All slice, dice, and pump incredibly!
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« Reply #1138 on: March 13, 2022, 11:35:23 PM »
The 325 progressive rear is amazing in the surf. Not great for winging but for prone itís fast, pumps really well and carving is on another level for the rears.
I'd disagree about not being great for winging. All equipment choices depend on the conditions and the rider. I'm small, so the 325 to me probably feels the same as the 350 for a bigger rider, and I've found the 325 to be amazingly fun paired with a 799 as a windy setup...
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« Reply #1139 on: March 14, 2022, 10:18:59 AM »
Solent, the 16mm axis mast is a lot stiffer than the "standard" 15mm extrusion that is commonly used for many of the other manufacturers' aluminum masts. I don't know that it will cure your ventilation issues, but it should help a bit. If you are really bugged by it you might try smoothing out the bit of reverse curve in the last 1/3rd of the 19mm mast toward the trailing edge. It's a fairly sharp break in the surface that looks to be caused by the back edge of the web, and it's right at the worst possible place--where pressure would be lowest. I think that's a little vacuum pump. If I were being bugged with ventilation I'd rough sand that area and overfill it with Bondo, then sand it with a lightly curved pad to give it a "fair" positive curve. but even just flatting it out would probably cure any issue it might be causing. I doubt that camber is intentional, more likely it's a manufacturing artifact and probably not a good one.

I'm tickled to hear that other people like the 890. My "real" quiver, meaning the wings I use all the time, are 1150, 890, 980, and 999. For tails, I use the 400/60, 390, and 340. I think I'm not good enough to feel small differences in tails, but the progressives look so damned pretty. There are a lot of limits imposed by my crappy knee and shitty balance, but I think it's easy to determine that those four wings are good for almost every condition.
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