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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #45 on: October 03, 2019, 03:39:47 PM »
When I was out on my 37 ltr prone, surf foiling, yesterday, I tried messing around with kneeling and standing on the board while waiting on sets.  I'm a lightweight at 65 kg / 145 lbs.  It was much easier than I anticipated.  The foil really makes things more manageable than on a standard shortboard.  On my knees, the water line was around my belly button.  I would think that with a wing pulling me up, I could probably make it happen with some practice.   Can't wait to try!

That is cool.  How was it on both feet when submerged?  I remember that being a very controlled position from shortboarding.  The water around your legs and torso lend a lot of stability.  I am hoping to avoid the knee.  I have been practicing getting in a low squat on both feet on my floater, arranging everything from there and standing.  Because I am completely above water that is somewhat awkward and unbalanced but it works and I am hoping that it is good practice :).

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2019, 05:48:54 AM »
My daughter can now do a flat water knee start on a 5'0 41 liter surfboard.
Open water conditions are very choppy and rough most of the time around here so that is still a big challenge.

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We believe waterstarting is much better but I think she needs a 25-30 liter board to waterstart and perhaps foot straps?  Perhaps a kite foil board?

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2019, 04:32:31 AM »
This one is 36 liters with a pretty big dude on it.  Not cranking wind either.  This is where its at.


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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2019, 05:16:30 AM »
I need to learn to wing without switching my feet. I want to turn like that.
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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2019, 04:46:40 PM »
Good underwater footage of the waterstart in this one.  A lot of other cool stuff as well. 

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2019, 03:07:09 PM »
On the FB wing surf page Eric Terrien explains his water start on 46 liter board as follows:

...no straps. Now that I'm getting used to it I can waterstart in 13-14knots on my best side, but at the beginning I needed 18-20knots.

 My 3 advices :
 1/ be 100/100 good on tacks and jibes  before going on a sinker board, otherwise the first session can be exhausting.

2/ a 45L sinker is much easier than a 30L sinker. Every liter makes a difference. The more liters the easier. It is wrong to think that the more the board sinks the easier it is. This is true for kite foiling, not wing foiling.

3/ to waterstart use the wing to get balanced while getting positioned on the board. I'm not very flexible so what I do I put my front foot in position and back leg is drop knee on the board. To get in position I keep the wing flat on the water next to me so I use it to balance, holding it with the leading edge handle. Once in position the tricky moment is to lift the wing and get it over my head and full powered. This has to be quick and controlled. If there is enough wind I stand at the same time as I power it. If it is low wind I first power it and I stand as I give it good pumps. What I try to avoid is to sink the board too low, because the more it sinks the trickier it gets to get up to the surface. Once standing on the board, if the wing is not powered, the board can sink pretty deep!

Im a 59 65kg rider:

Boards:
   4'5.5" 33L Armstrong
   410 37L FSM
   5'1" 74L FSM
   511 100L FSM

Foils: Armstrong 1050, 1200, 1550, 2400
Wings: F-One Swing 3.5M and 5M

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2019, 03:29:22 PM »
That is great info.  #2 is what I was hoping.  The hard part is going to be figuring out the largest board we can still sink and control underwater with comfort. Stoked to get started on this. 

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2019, 01:48:01 AM »
I asked Eric about his boards and he is using both the 30L that he mentioned for higher winds and a 45 Liter for down to 13-14 knots.  He said he is 80 kg (176 lbs) and he is using the Axis 900 with both of these.  Then he has a 90 L that he is using with both the Axis 900 and 1000 for lighter winds. 

It is nice to hear what is working for riders with specific weights and gear attached. 

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2020, 03:55:42 AM »
Another nice video from Ivan.  Cool to see the underwater pumping at the beginning.  Great downwind footage as well. 


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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2020, 06:04:04 AM »
It's a stinker that Zuckerberg is so controlling that you cannot watch his videos unless you are a member of his tribe. 

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2020, 03:31:37 AM »
Here is a great waterstart vid.  He is starting toe side.  Looks like a 6 meter in pretty modest wind.  Very cool.

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2020, 10:15:58 AM »
love the toe side start.  90 kg rider on F-One 5 foot, 60 L board

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2020, 02:48:27 AM »
love the toe side start.  90 kg rider on F-One 5 foot, 60 L board

Nice!  F-One added Swing 6.0 - rider is close to 200 lbs . Wind no more than 12/14 knots.  I am a little surprised that he is that deep underwater on 60 liters.  Even so, that is a hard start!  Stoked to see guys getting this done in lighter wind and on bigger wings.

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #58 on: April 02, 2020, 09:12:54 AM »
It would be nice to see that last vid but just reviewing the others for the first time I see now this being done without footstraps.
This makes me very hopeful my 29 liter surf foil board may actually work, I really didn't want to ad footstrap inserts.

Interesting to note though that a little more volume might actually make it easier, would have thought the opposite. In fact I thought the 29L board would be too floaty to sink well enough.

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #59 on: April 03, 2020, 08:43:39 AM »


Rad!  Thanks for posting, I've been wanting to launch there but I need more practice to feel comfortable that I can make it back in.  Looking forward to group downwinders from here.
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