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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2019, 06:47:12 AM »
What mast lengths?  How are you liking those Axis vs GoFoil?

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2019, 07:05:53 AM »
Gofoil 29,5 + 2 inch= 31,5 inch = 80 cm

Axis 60 cm=24 inch, 75 cm=30 inch and 90 cm =36 inch

I haven't used the Axis foils yet but being able to use a short mast for shallow sandbanks is very useful..

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2019, 08:52:11 AM »
I really like the complete modularity of the Axis program.  I just ordered a bunch of Red goodies.  :)

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2019, 02:12:55 AM »
Here is another vid of the waterstart.  Helpful, but again editing out the part where they are actually getting on the board.  Wonder why :).  This looks very doable though and flying around on a 4'8 board looks epic. 

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2019, 02:56:06 AM »
Oooooh!

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2019, 08:01:58 AM »
No hope for that.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2019, 03:51:13 AM »
Yesterday my 62 kg daughter managed to get going on her Axis 5'0 41 liter. She can't push the board down enough to stand on it under water but she did a kneeling start in very choppy conditions.
She could only do it  port tack, she is regular.

She thinks she needs a much smaller board to do a proper waterstart...

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2019, 04:45:26 AM »
Kids! :)

Did you sit on it yet?  Have yo put a straight edge on the bottom?  I am wondering how flat it is in the tail and how far forward it stays flat.


I am nowhere near ready to be working on this yet...so that means it is time to start :)
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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2019, 07:47:09 AM »
PS:  Just searching around I found this product.  It is a pad with various insert options.  This may be a good choice for you and save some headaches.

https://www.northshoreinc.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=373&idcategory=202

https://www.northshoreinc.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=374&idcategory=202
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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2019, 03:38:54 AM »
This is a fantastic video for waterstarts.  It shows the process all the way from wipe-out to foiling in nice quality and multiple times.  I do hope that the manufacturers take note of their own riders and add inserts (and plenty of them) to their upcoming wingfoil specific boards. 


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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2019, 09:19:35 AM »
Bastard!! He stands on that sinker like it was a sandbar. Doesn't even pay any attention to it. Totally impossible. Got to be photoshopped or something.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2019, 03:15:17 AM »
He barely pumps at 00:58.  Lets the nose surface and goes for it.  SO cool.  That is the Takuma Model X  4'4'' x 18 9/16x3 1/2 : 39L .

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2019, 12:35:52 AM »
Yesterday my 62 kg daughter managed to get going on her Axis 5'0 41 liter. She can't push the board down enough to stand on it under water but she did a kneeling start in very choppy conditions.
She could only do it  port tack, she is regular.

She thinks she needs a much smaller board to do a proper waterstart...

Hence I would think the reasoning behind F-One’s Rocket Wing boards. These boards are intended for what you might call a “sinking knee start”. They even state a skilled rider would chose a board up to 15 liters less than their body weight in Kg.

I think for a lot of people, a slightly sinking knee start might be a lot more doable (and less energy burning) than a true water start, and still allow for much less mass to drag around once up on the foil. There’s that vid of an 88kg guy knee starting an 80 liter F-One Rocket Wing with no issue at all. No worries about floaty foils or extra water depth to accommodate a full stand-on water start, and a little extra float in case things go south and you have to self rescue. 

One other advantage of just a bit more float than a full stand-on sinker board, is better touch down recovery.  Just enough volume (and nose scoop) to easily pop back up on the foil. For kite foiling we can ride silly tiny sub 100 cm pocket boards but they are also much less tolerant of touch downs. I use a comfy 120 cm kite foil board with lots of nose scoop to pop right back up after touch downs. Yet it still has minimal swing weight to impede on-the-foil maneuverability.   Just my worthless guesstimate at this stage.
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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2019, 12:55:52 AM »
My 60 kg daughter can now can now kneestart her 41 liter board on both tacks, but she needs wind and not to heavy chop to do it.

To make it easier she woud need a slightly bigger board :https://axisfoils.com/collections/surf-foil-boards/products/surf-carbon-foilboard-56

And to waterstart she would need a smaller board with footstraps about this size : https://axisfoils.com/collections/surf-foil-boards/products/surf-carbon-foilboard-40

The advantage of surffoil boards is that they are much cheaper than sup foil boards!

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Re: Waterstarts
« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2019, 08:44:15 AM »
When I was out on my 37 ltr prone, surf foiling, yesterday, I tried messing around with kneeling and standing on the board while waiting on sets.  I'm a lightweight at 65 kg / 145 lbs.  It was much easier than I anticipated.  The foil really makes things more manageable than on a standard shortboard.  On my knees, the water line was around my belly button.  I would think that with a wing pulling me up, I could probably make it happen with some practice.   Can't wait to try!
I’m a 5’9” 65kg rider:

Boards:
   3’11” 32L FFB
   4’10” 32L FSM
   5’11” 100L FSM
Foils: Armstrong 1200, 1550, 2400
Wings: F-One Swing 3.5M and 5M