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Optimal working bandwidth in paddles
« on: July 22, 2019, 04:07:15 PM »
Just wanted to share something I noticed a while back and see if you guys notice a difference in working bandwidth in paddles. Or if there even is such a thing.
Ive been paddling the 84 and the 90 sq in Ke Nalu elite paddles for quite a while now. I love the paddles but Ive noticed they have a very narrow optimal functioning bandwidth. What I mean by that is that the paddle is the fastest when its quiet and there are no swirls or any water noises for that matter. Once you hear any noise with this paddle your speed will go down quite a bit. I like it because it lets you know right away if your technique is off and forces you to correct your stroke. A while back Ive tried a qb trifecta and it seemed like it didnt get that feedback. The paddle was much more quiet even if my stroke was off a bit and the speed didnt seem to suffer too much. In my opinion the paddles were quite comparable in speed even though there are other reviews on here saying something different. The main difference was in how forgiving they were.
That makes me wonder if you guys noticed any drastic differences in the optimal working bandwidths of paddles. This becomes quite important in distance races where fatigue will slowly impact your paddle technique and a paddle with a narrower working bandwidth will cost you more time in the end. Would love to read your opinions and see what the most forgiving paddle is in your opinion.

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Re: Optimal working bandwidth in paddles
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2019, 07:51:01 PM »
I think you'll find the Quickblade V-Drive as the paddle with the most bandwidth, very forgiving technic wise not so much on the physical side.

Things do get messier if you choose blade size beyond your ability, though
it's not unique to this blade design, just more pronounced.

As for Trifecta, I'll agree with you that it's noise feedback is not as pronounced
as with other blades but if you'll tell me that you haven't noticed speed difference, I'll say you never took a good stroke with it.

The ups and downs of this blade couldn't be more apart. The only place this
blade is forgiving is on the physical aspect (shoulder load) IMO
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Re: Optimal working bandwidth in paddles
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2019, 03:06:13 AM »
I think you'll find the Quickblade V-Drive as the paddle with the most bandwidth, very forgiving technic wise not so much on the physical side.

Things do get messier if you choose blade size beyond your ability, though
it's not unique to this blade design, just more pronounced.

As for Trifecta, I'll agree with you that it's noise feedback is not as pronounced
as with other blades but if you'll tell me that you haven't noticed speed difference, I'll say you never took a good stroke with it.

The ups and downs of this blade couldn't be more apart. The only place this
blade is forgiving is on the physical aspect (shoulder load) IMO

You may be right about the trifecta. Its been quite a while since I tested it and it was just for a lap around the local lake.
Regarding blade sizes, I started with 100 sq in blades, even bought a 110 qb before going down in size years ago. I have to correct myself by the way. The two KeNalus Im using are 84 and 95. Just packed them into the car for today. I did try the v-drive a while back too. Probably not long enough either but cant remember much of a difference to the KeNalu. Any other recommendations? How do Hipposticks or Black Project Hydro compare? Sometimes I think a ~90 sq in paddle would be ideal. I have a qb elite 90 but cut it way short for my 5 tall wife 😁. Im 510.

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Re: Optimal working bandwidth in paddles
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2019, 06:44:13 AM »
I have a qb elite 90 but cut it way short for my 5 tall wife .

If youre looking for a paddle for your wife, Ive got two, 75 sq. inch ZRE paddles, cut at 72 1/2 for sale. Should also be able to cut them down as the T-grip is hot glued. Just sayin.
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Re: Optimal working bandwidth in paddles
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2019, 08:09:35 AM »
The Konihi 84 is well known for requiring an impeccable technique at all time. I have always found it very fast during the first 5km and then slowing down as technique drops. That eas not the cade with the Mana 82 which is less demanding.
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Re: Optimal working bandwidth in paddles
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2019, 08:10:19 AM »
The Konihi 84 is well known for requiring an impeccable technique at all time. I have always found it very fast during the first 5km and then slowing down as technique drops. That eas not the cade with the Mana 82 which is less demanding.
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Re: Optimal working bandwidth in paddles
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2019, 09:19:17 AM »
I've become used to the demands of the 84 Konihi, in fact, I can't use anything else for downwinding. The 95 is too big, the Mana doesn't have the immediate catch that lets me take a few quick, short strokes to get on a bump. I like the V-drive, and I agree that it's very forgiving, but its catch comes a little slower as well. The 84 Konihi requires that you push down as you stroke. If you do that you can be a little sloppy with everything else. The reward is early catch, which is too hard on my shoulders with the 95. but perfect with the 84.

Like Luc, I tend to be slower at the end when I start forgetting to bury the blade, but it's become so automatic that it doesn't happen until I'm tired or distracted.
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Re: Optimal working bandwidth in paddles
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2019, 09:32:15 AM »
Since you're on the Kenalu family, I'll second the Mana 82.
Very forgiving and pleasant blade. Not the fastest for me
but very good all around and you'll only need to buy a blade
as you already have shafts.
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Re: Optimal working bandwidth in paddles
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2019, 06:06:49 PM »
I've become used to the demands of the 84 Konihi, in fact, I can't use anything else for downwinding. The 95 is too big, the Mana doesn't have the immediate catch that lets me take a few quick, short strokes to get on a bump. I like the V-drive, and I agree that it's very forgiving, but its catch comes a little slower as well. The 84 Konihi requires that you push down as you stroke. If you do that you can be a little sloppy with everything else. The reward is early catch, which is too hard on my shoulders with the 95. but perfect with the 84.

Like Luc, I tend to be slower at the end when I start forgetting to bury the blade, but it's become so automatic that it doesn't happen until I'm tired or distracted.

I agree with the tired or distracted statement. I tried a new pair of earbuds the other day and was surprised how slow I was. Today I went out without the distractions and had a 0.3mph higher average over 6 miles than the other day in comparable conditions. Even with falling in once. I managed to find the only 1 sq ft shallow spot of this lake with my fin. 🤣. I got sloppy towards the end but when I concentrated on my stroke I was able to get the same speed as at the beginning of the workout.
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Re: Optimal working bandwidth in paddles
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2019, 01:31:49 AM »
I agree with Burchas. You need good technique with the Trifecta, but the vdrive will work pretty much whatever you do with it. So I use a vdrive, mostly... and the smallest blade they have, to ease the strain on the body that such a good catch gives.

The Trifecta is very kind to the body, however, and encourages good technique, both of which are useful things to have in a paddle.