Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020

[goodfornothin]

Naw, not that smart, just a smart ass   hopefully it comes across as just fucking around. 

I am very experienced in this situation, not so much read.  Ive been at the business end of more violence than I care to remember.  Ive worked in Inglewood, Compton, El Monte and Lancaster.  I know those places are meaningless to you, but watch the Movie Colors.  Its more of a documentary.  I worked next to one of the most violent LA Co prisons and dragged dead dudes out of there consistently.  This fear of guns is unwarranted.   the numbers and propaganda behind it are just that, propaganda to sway votes during election cycles.  Ive scene entire blocks lit up by Ak's and Ar-15's.  Ive still treated far more stabbing victims though and a guy with a knife scares me far more than a gun.  at least I knew I had a chance with my bullet proof vest.  knives not so much.  I mean, ive scene some crazy shit with just pennies in a sock more than GSW.  ever try to intubate a dude who got pussy whipped by a sock and pennies, holly shit, good luck.


a great number of the larger shootings are for display.  if you care to reach past your mental fences you could find a lot in crisis actors, multiple shooters and mass media manipulation.  Im not saying MK ultra is mind warping everything.  Crazy conspiracy theorist, im not.  im a realist that has scene some shit.  Ive been on scene with high ranking dudes and the story in the paper the next day is most certainly not what happened to said high ranking dude.  I had friends in Vegas too, they said there were multiple shooters, period.  They were in the Army with me, they know the sound of death all too well.  Im definitely not here to argue what other people saw that day.  but there is always a lot going on, and perspectives change just from standing up.  no different than 9/11.  I know how things burn, lots of classes and time on the tip of a nozzle.  3 buildings dont fall from two planes and a fire.  you cant get a fire to burn evenly for a building to fall in on itself.  and once again, I have friends I worked with that transferred from NYFD and they heard explosive devices.  so to think these larger shootings could just be organic nut jobs does not sit well with me.  agendas to move markets, its a part of our life.


My current business partner is an X-captain of the Bloods.  He was the guy that was dealing with the CIA and Pablo Escobar bringing in the drugs.  Gary Webb and Michael Ruppert reported on all of this.  It was marginalized and they were both driven to their graves for stating such Conspiracy theories.  They were not, our govt and your govt are running drugs and guns.   have you scene the numbers of people in our Private prisons on drug charges.  You think that is just happening due to the normal rule of a bell curve?  Have we scene drug reform?  have we scene the poppy production decrease or increase in Afghanistan?  and what are the death rates of opiate OD?  ahh just numbers on a stat line to suss out on the internet?  No its being pushed, through propaganda.    I saw the results on the street and I have friends now that verify it was and still is happening. 


The guns are being run by the govt. plain and simple and the violence will not stop, because they dont want it to stop.  see your govt and our govt seem to think fear porn is the best way to sway public opinion to get the proper official in place to make sure the petrodollar stays in play.  So thinking your saving a couple hundred lives by banning AR15's is fucking ridiculous.  Id rather public angst steer towards Merck corp and stop killing our populace with opiates.  that is a solvable problem.  pull out of afganistan, stop protecting the silk road and put every exececutive on the MErck board in prioson, for life.   were does the jolly ol BBC  play into the picture of fox news or cnn?  chirppity chirp is all i hear.   Its a shame we dont all look into things deeper than the misinformation constantly being pushed.


oh yeah, insurance.   Yes you can go broke and will have to file for bankruptcy if your insurance sucks and you get shot by a Vaccine injured nut job on anti depressants and mind controlled by MK ultra, hahahahahahahahaahahah

[RideTheGlide]

Interesting statistics. But my question wasn’t about how likely it was, it was whether you’d be covered by your medical insurance, or if instead you could end up bankrupted by medical bills because some right wing extremist shot you. Which would seem a rather rum outcome.

This question might not be relevant to most of the US population in any one year, but presumably it would be to the approx 24000 who have been either killed or injured so far this year?

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

The stats were in answer to pdxmike's question. I answered the question about care in an earlier reply. Being hospitalized after being wounded by gunfire is more common than a lot of diseases that pay plenty of attention to, especially for people living in homes with firearms.

[eastbound]

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/05/599773911/how-the-nra-worked-to-stifle-gun-violence-research

https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/political-scene/the-nras-financial-mess

[RideTheGlide]

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/05/599773911/how-the-nra-worked-to-stifle-gun-violence-research

https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/political-scene/the-nras-financial-mess

The NRA claim that they only want to keep the CDC from advocating gun control, not stop all research on guns, is ridiculous. All legitimate research on guns and public health will implicitly advocate for stricter gun control.

[Night Wing]

Being hospitalized after being wounded by gunfire is more common than a lot of diseases that pay plenty of attention to, especially for people living in homes with firearms.

And I know a lot of people living in homes with firearms who have never been shot. And I'm one of them.

I live in Texas where firearms in homes are quite common since Texas is a hunting state for wild game. I grew up with firearms which included centerfire rifles, rimfire rifles and centerfire handguns and this started when I was 12 years old. My late dad taught me to respect a firearms whether it was loaded or not. He started to teach me about guns and how to use them when I was 12 years old. He taught me at this age when in his opinion, I was mentally prepared for them. And I was very proficient with all of them when it comes to marksmenship at the tender age of 12.

Fast forward 57 years to day. There are twelve (12) firearms in my home at this time. Eleven (11) firearms are mine and my wife owns one (1). These firearms are broken down into categories which are:

Three (3) centerfire 12 gauge shotguns (2 semi-automatic, 1 pump).
Three (3), centerfire bolt action rifles in calibers 25-06, 270, 30-06.
Three (3) rimfire rifles in 22 long rifle caliber (2 bolt actions, 1 semi-automatic).
Three (3) centerfire revolvers (cylinder) all in caliber 357 magnum.

Three (3) firearms are always loaded which are (1 semi-automatic 12 gauge shotgun, 2 revolver (cylinder) 357's). One (1) loaded 357 revolver is mine and one (1) loaded 357 is my wife's.

Since Texas is such a humid state weather wise, I clean all twelve (12) firearms every six months like clockwork to keep the rust at bay. Since I've been around firearms since I was 12 years of age; my late dad taught me respect first, then safety, then marksmenship and then how to disassemble all of them for proper cleaning.

I've never had a loaded firearm accidentally discharge. The three loaded firearms are always unloaded first before I clean them. And even if I lost my temper in a dispute, I wouldn't be dumb enough to use a firearm to settle a dispute. Would I ever shoot my wife? No. Would I worry my wife would ever shoot me? No. My wife and I opposites, but we would never settle an argument between us with a firearm.

Now getting back to statistics. If I made every decision I've made in my 69 years of life based solely on stats and I went along with conventional wisdom, I would never have made the decisions I did make and have made during my lifetime.

And if you would like to see them, I will post a picture of them all together, but I think the photo would have to be in a public post since I do not think a photo can be sent in a private message. I say this since I've never been able to send a photo in a private message.

[RideTheGlide]

Nightwing,
The stats say you, or someone in your home, are a lot more likely to be shot if you have guns that if you don't. This is pretty intuitively obvious if you don't want to use stats. It's a lot more likely that a resident or visitor to the home will be shot, accidentally or otherwise, than an intruder. Collectively, guns don't make people safer. but individually gun owners think they do; the statistics are about other people who are less responsible.

[eastbound]

guns are lethal devices designed to efficiently kill animals and humans

they can be operated irreversibly (that shot at dies) based on a decision made in milliseconds

bad decisions and mistakes can be made by anyone, no matter their confidence in themselves and training

the more guns and gun owners, the more irreversible deadly results

there are very few guns in the United Kingdom, due to laws in force---there are close to zero gun deaths (certainly relative to the USA) in the united kingdom---simple math---fewer efficient lethal devices==fewer deaths by said efficient lethal devices

NRA and gun manufacturers have played our political system like a fine violin, and brought much death, serious injury and co$t to our country

and a lot of guns around the house isnt only about accidents and angry domestic murder---if a house gets burglarized, the guns harvested go directly to criminal hands, by definition

every gun was designed to kill, and can very well end up killing----surprise!

[Area 10]

Does this level of gun ownership seem sensible?

But it seems that the weight of opinion is now heading towards greater gun control in the US. There are probably some old fogies who wish that life was still like it was back in the 1950s, but my guess is that the younger generation will ensure that US gun ownership levels starts to look a bit more like that of any other country in the world.

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41488081



 

[PonoBill]

Nightwing:
Like you, I own a lot of guns. Like you, I've never accidentally discharged one or shot anyone. I'm not actually certain how many, a couple of pistols, a few deer/elk rifles, a few accurized .22's that I built, lots of shotguns. I don't view any of them as personal protection, just sport. Would I mind having them turned into high-grade steel if there was a national gun elimination policy? Not at all.

Take the pistols, leave me a shotgun and a deer rifle and I'm fine. I'm not part of a militia. I don't connect guns to my manhood. I have seen firsthand how many people who I wouldn't trust with a slingshot are armed to the teeth. Would I give up my guns to have them disarmed? You bet. I'll bet dollars to donuts you know people like that too.

And actually, they can have my deer rifle too. I'd really rather bow hunt. One of the many reasons I like bowhunting is that there are fewer armed morons running around in the woods, fewer road hunters shooting at every bush that moves, few people talking about taking "sound shots".

[PonoBill]

On another subject, Paul Krugman's take on health insurance (on Masterclass), the problems and general solutions, are illuminating. He didn't say anything that I didn't already know, but he puts all the parts together in a very useful way. Some of the conclusions from this synthesis seem doable. If nothing else it's nice to know some people at least have ideas to repair this clusterfuck.

I also started watching the Axelrod/Rove class, and it's a lot less painful than I thought.

[Bean]

PB, is Krugman still supporting "Medicare for America"?

And A-10, in response to your previous question about health coverage for injuries sustained through “terrorism”.  In general those would be covered.  For instance, the cost to the insurance companies for the 9-11 attack continues and is well over $70 billion.   

[PonoBill]

Actually, he covers three approaches and discusses the value and problems with each.

Interestingly we have all three systems in the USA, but only for specific populations.

For me the most enlightening part of the lectures is that the big costs of health insurance are already covered by taxes--Medicare, Medicaid, and veterans. The largest number of uninsured are young people, who have the lowest cost of coverage and who are the most likely to leave the insurance pool if the costs are too high. Subsidizing their coverage has a cost of about $100 Billion, which sounds like a lot but its a fart in a windstorm of our total medical care cost.

It's obvious that the system is thoroughly broken. We have the highest cost by a big margin and poor outcome--lower life expectancy than 2/3rd of the wealthy countries. There are some straightforward ways to find systems that work better and deploy them, but the politics of change are ugly.

[Night Wing]

@ RideTheGlide

Now lets dissect your comments one by one.

That old tired lament that someone in "my" home is going to get shot because I have guns in the house is just "blather". Nine (9) of my firearms are unloaded. The three (3) loaded firearms are NOT laying around in plain sight. These firearms are strategically concealed where I can get to one of them in 15 seconds of time or less if the need arises. And I don't advertise to the world where they are concealed either.

When my wife's eldest niece comes to visit and brings along her adopted now 2 1/2 year old child, I put those concealed weapons up in a different place where the child can never reach them. When the niece and child leave our home to go back to their home, those weapons are immediately put
back in their previously concealed place.

All of my friends, they are like me. They all grew up with firearms. Not one of them has ever shot someone, by accident or intentionally in their homes. But if the occasion called for it with an intruder, it wouldn't matter to them or me, they would shoot. And they would shoot to kill. They are trained like I am in firearms. BTW, none of my friends know where my unloaded or loaded weapons are concealed in my home.

Now lets take your well worn lament that "guns don't make people safer". That is just "bunk" for the want of a better term in a public forum.

I live in Montgomery county in Texas in a small town of about 1,100 residents "way out in the boondocks". I bought the home I'm now living in, in 1978 which is 41 years ago. The subdivision back then probably had 15 homes in it. Back in that time, fourteen (14) of those homes got robbed at night. Two (2) of those instances were home invasions. After that incident, these residents bought a firearm.

The other twelve (12) homes, their vehicles were broken into because these people were just plain lazy and didn't think about security back in those days. Instead of putting all of their vehicles in their garages, they left some of their vehicles out in their driveway. After these resident's vehicles were broken into, all of these residents bought a firearm.

My home or vehicles have never been broken into because I always put my vehicles in my garage for the night. And the main reason my home has never been broken into during that time, at that time I had a sign in my front yard which had a picture of a revolver's bore sticking straight out where the cylinder could be seen with a human hand around the revolver's grip and the words below were on the sign which read:

"Never mind the Dog, Beware of Owner". And this message to the thieves or intruders casing my home at that time, they knew what they would run into if they decided my home was going to be their target. So my firearms at that time kept my home from being robbed and still do today.

Now, let me take you into my dark realm. The next few paragraphs will let you inside my mindset when it comes to firearms. Just remember this. I can turn off my "conscious" like a light switch going on or off.

Do you know why most of the sick shooters pick schools, bars, churches, malls, etc: for their mass shootings? Because it is a "target rich environment" since these places don't allow (in some states) firearms on the premises. For a mass shooter, it is like shooting at fish in a barrel.

Since I live in Texas, I have a Concealed Handgun License. This allows me to carry a concealed handgun. I have two malls closet to me where I live. With all the crazy types in the world today, I'm well aware of these target rich environments which appeal to these shooters where they can kill or wound lots of people.

This is why when I go to either of the two malls where I live where concealed firearms are allowed, I wear a sports coat. The coat covers and "hides" the shoulder holster under my left arm pit (I'm right handed) and in that holster is a stainless steel, 4" barreled Smith & Wesson Model 66 revolver with target sights and a 6 shot ammo cylinder. I don't need the target sights since I can shoot instinctively which means I can pick a spot on a target and the bullet will usually hit the spot I'm looking at.

The above is called "instinctive shooting" and I found I had this gift when I took up archery with a 66" long recurve bow. My arrow upon release from the string, most always went to the spot on a target I was looking at.

Now for a hypothetical scenario. Remember the two malls? Lets say I'm in one of those malls and one of these armed shooters with an assault rifle is bent on murdering lots of people. Lets also say there is no armed guards on duty at these malls. Lets say there are 3,000 people in the mall at that time. When the shooting starts, lets say no one is hit by a bullet. That means there will be 2,999 people running for their lives as fast as they can looking for the nearest exit doors.

That leaves one (1) person who won't be running for the exit doors. That person would be me. Since I'm carrying a concealed handgun, the first thing I'm going to do is take off my shoes. Why? With no shoes on and only socks covering my feet, I can walk around without making a sound. I'll take stock of where the noise of the shots are coming from and I'll head that way towards the shooter.

In this scenario, I've got the advantage over the shooter. The shooter is not expecting anyone to be armed. Basically, my goal is to locate and see the shooter before the shooter sees me or ever sees me. And if I succeed, then I outflank the shooter and come up from behind the shooter. Then I would tell the shooter to "drop the weapon to the ground, get down on their knees and put their hands on their necks behind their head".

Of course, the shooter will not comply because in the shooter's mind, the shooter cannot believe there is someone behind the shooter who is armed and would take a shot at him/her. So the shooter would most likely start to turn around with his weapon and that is when I'd put three (3) shots into him and I'd be aiming for the shooter's upper torso so those shots from a 357 magnum would kill him before the shooter's body would hit the ground.

Now lets say the shooter sees me in an instant before I see him. Then I would take cover in a concealed spot, stay concealed enough so when the shooter comes by looking for me, when I see him, I'd just fire three (3) shots into him/her and blow the shooter away without ever saying a word to the shooter.

My late dad was in WW2 and retired from the US Army after 23 years of service. He taught me military combat tactics with firearms because he said to me, I might need these tactics one day and to learn and remember them well because if placed in a situation, these tactics would keep me alive.

I've been taking a long road to get to this point, but the point I'm getting is this. I don't buy the "guns don't make people safer" comment. That is anti-gun rhetoric that comes from people who don't like firearms, who also don't think people, like me, should own them. And to top it off, these people believe the general population should not be allowed to buy or own any firearms. So I say to the anti-gun crowd, "I'm not buying what you're shoveling. Not now, now ever". And those statistics the anti-gun crowd is always (pardon the pun) trumpeting; as far as I'm concerned, "the antigun crowd can put those statistics where the sun doesn't shine" if you get my drift.

And for those who what to tell me about England and firearms. England may not allow their citizens to own them and that is correct, but the city of London is awash with thugs on mopeds threatening people with knives every day.




   





   

[Weasels wake]

Guns, knives, whatever it takes for the disenfranchised.
Get off your soaking wet political cardboard boxes and recognize the truth.

In the news this morning, 20% of millennials have no friends, what's up with that? Way too much time spent with their alternative reality online. An alternative reality is not reality. 

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-millenials-no-friends-yougov-poll-20190804-ek5odkrxmvbfhex7ytvp2p6rwy-story.html

[Bean]

You got that right buddy... er, ah, who ever you are